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SeaWorld meltdown

Do the Orcas really bring in the public? I did not go or would not go to any of the parks they run for the simple fact they have them. And that's since I visited america aged 8!
 
Probably not. When you look at the park there aren't that many rides compared to most of the other Floridian parks. The Shamu Show is a huge pull for the park and a large park of their whole brand.

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Plus the rides are fairly quiet, even in the height of summer - 10 minutes for Kracken and 25 minutes for Manta. People definitely do Seaworld for the animal attractions.
 
SeaWorld have been running a new ad campaign recently in an attempt to shake off the accusations. The Dodo's article begs to differ with the claims made by the SeaWorld vet and an animal rescue team member who feature in the Facts About Killer Whales ad.
 
...give it a bleedin' rest.

Flavour of the month.

I am entirely sick of this fashionable hate campaign. The issues were raised, if people want to see the demise of SeaWorld then don't visit but the ongoing saga of abuse is getting boring now. SeaWorld also do some good, you know - and many of the workers are animal lovers!

Sam - i trust you're not visiting in August?

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AstroDan said:
...give it a bleedin' rest.

Flavour of the month.

I am entirely sick of this fashionable hate campaign. The issues were raised, if people want to see the demise of SeaWorld then don't visit but the ongoing saga of abuse is getting boring now. SeaWorld also do some good, you know - and many of the workers are animal lovers!

Sam - i trust you're not visiting in August?

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I don't think people should be told to give it a rest, they are obviously pashionate. Personally I do think zoos have their place but don't think SeaWorld is one, sealifes on the other hand are both educational and don't make animals perform.
 
AstroDan said:
...give it a bleedin' rest.

Flavour of the month.

I am entirely sick of this fashionable hate campaign. The issues were raised, if people want to see the demise of SeaWorld then don't visit but the ongoing saga of abuse is getting boring now. SeaWorld also do some good, you know - and many of the workers are animal lovers!

Sam - i trust you're not visiting in August?
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But it's not 'flavour of the month' because the crappy conditions for the massive whales are still exactly the same as when this campaign started, as they were a decade ago, as they were two decades ago. SeaWorld haven't changed anything, so why should the campaigners? They think something happening in the world is ethically wrong so they will keep trying to stop it happening until they succeed, like any campaigners.

SeaWorld doing good is like the Tories introducing gay marriage - it's good, yeah, but it merely exists so they can put a respectable face on all the crappy things they do. There is no way of mitigating it. Keeping massive whales in captivity is a scummy thing to do - end of.

I will be visiting because I want the creds, and that pathetically overpowers my ethical problems. I wish there was a way of going without giving them any money.
 
But it is the same as many things. A loud minority will end up ruining what is, on the whole, a decent tourist attraction.

I'm not agreeing with what they do re: whales but similarly, don't buy the bandwagon hype from vegan extremists who'd also probably have us stop swotting flies, too!
 
I agreed with everything Sam said until the last bit, my desire to ride their attractions doesn't overpower my problems with Seaworld. I'm not a bleeding heart, but what Seaworld do is beyond what I'm ok with and they won't get a penny off me unless they change.

How do you determine what's a bandwagon and what's a genuine spread of awareness and anger? Blackfish and things have raised awareness and given people a new, stronger platform to voice their feelings. It's been about two years since it came out, this isn't just a flavour of the month.

Ideally Seaworld will stop breeding orcas and cancel the shows, but if they insist on them and keep insisting there's nothing wrong with what they do, I'll lose no sleep over them closing, I can live with Manta and Kraken and whatever closing or being relocated, they're just rides.
 
Let's be honest, animals around the word are being treated badly, and then the vast majority are eaten. What Seaworld is doing isn't good, but it by no means the worst thing.
 
Maybe so, doesn't mean people can't try to get it stopped. A lot of things people can't do anything about, this is something they can, and could spark more change,
 
Through life I have learnt that it is rare for anything to be impartial.

Whilst I do not intend to go and see the show at SeaWorld (I saw it in 2010, didn't enjoy it regardless and accept that it probably isn't the arena for large sea creatures to be held) - I also don't believe 100% of the things to have come out of the film. Sure, there are obviously some harsh truths which SeaWorld must face up to, but similarly, there is clearly an agenda out there.

Just like any national tabloid, you have to be wary of everything and I am aware that SeaWorld also do much good for marine wildlife, which seems conveniently forgotten.

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The one thing I have to disagree with is that the outrage is coming from a loud minority. Minoritys don't effect guest figures in the way this has. I know plenty of people that do not want to visit SeaWorld anymore. They may not be the majority (SeaWorld would already be closed if that was the case) but they are far off being a minority.

As I said before in another topic I don't want SeaWorld to fall as they do have their good side, when they fall Busch fall (as we have seen already) and their rides do show an alternative direction for the attraction. But if visiting SeaWorld gives them the impression I want to see performing animals then I'd rather not go.
 
AstroDan said:
Sure, there are obviously some harsh truths which SeaWorld must face up to, but similarly, there is clearly an agenda out there.
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I don't really understand this. Yes, they have an agenda - they think that what SeaWorld are doing is wrong and they want to change it. Isn't that the 'agenda' of any campaign? Sorry if I've misunderstood. :S
 
I think it’s a catch 22 for the activists. If they’re not vegans they’re accused of hypocrisy, and if they are vegans they’re accused of being extremists. Quite a lot of the ‘defence’ of Sea World involves trying to erode the credibility of the activists rather than their arguments. And so what if they are a minority? Most movements that sparked a major change started as a minority, and gradually the ideas became more mainstream.
 
Apologies - yes, of course there's an agenda - the agenda to shut SeaWorld down.

I knew commenting was a bad idea here because frankly I don't want to be drawn into the debate as I am firmly on the fence.

I am simply sick of it being discussed and the high and mighty attitude that many seem to take.

It is hypocrisy though to be so adamantly against SeaWorld yet visit.
 
I don't think their agenda is to shut SeaWorld down, I think their agenda is for SeaWorld to run their theme parks without any captive whales. If their theme parks are any good then they should be able to do that without going bankrupt.
 
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