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Secret Weapon 7 Discussion

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I'm just gonna point out regarding "X Sector under new management" I'm guessing you are referring to those news reports in mutiny bay. If I remember correctly they never mention that, only X Sector confirms the new management of merry England (to Mutiny Bay) I remember somewhere on TTF copying the story's into a topic and putting them into chronological order. They are all amusing tales of the rethemes around the area.

Obvious this means nothing and the Studios can do what they like with the theme.

But before you jump back onto the "new management" topic its a misinterpretation of a story.

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Plus it also said the Captain's Secret Weapon was on it's way from Switzerland which actually turned out to be a reference to Sub-Terra and not SW7. I think we can fairly confidently say whoever wrote that was trying to mislead us ;)
 
I'm just going off what others have said about the 'MoJ' in previous comments as I don't really remember everything about SW7 so far, although I guess it would be unfair to dismiss the idea of a new organisation moving in to claim X-Sector, or whatever. Perhaps the 'MoJ' have always been in charge and they've decided to make themselves known with SW7? Who knows?
 
siralgenon said:
I understand X-SECTOR needs a sinister theme, but I meant on the whole Towers needs to move away from the sinister, dark themes. After SW7 is finished we'll have 2 attractions themed on monsters, 3 government facilities and 2 scary tree rides
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I agree with you there - and we know that the light themes work well. Look at Air, that worked brilliantly (even though it's gotten in a bit of a grotty state) and I found Air to be one of my favourite pieces of Alton's marketing.

On the subject of X-Sector's theme next year. I can see the X-Sector name being kept and I have a slight suspicion that Alton Towers could incorporate the Lord of Darkness within this Ministry of Joy. While at the moment they seem completely different themes we have had very little information about the Ministry of Joy - so Alton Towers could easily create a story that will make it fit into the existing theme of X-Sector.
 
I have a feeling the ride will be called "Smile". This is mainly because of the press release I read on the TS main site, where one of the lines reads "Lost your Smile?". Maybe that could be just a slip, but why does that have a capital letter. Even if I wasn't reading too much into that, we know the ride will be themed around the 'Ministry of Joy', and the graffiti seen around the park is of a...SMILE. Not only that, but the logo for the Sanctuary scare maze even has a smile in it.

If the rides not called Smile, then I at least think it will have a name with a similar meaning. But I'm having a hard time thinking of words that aren't something like "grin", which would be a terrible name for a rollercoaster.
 
Grimace?

Sounds a little bit cheesy, but that's Alton through and through!
 
Just to further back James and others up, Im expecting this ride to add a fuller story to x-sector amd ramp up the story more.

Lets be honest the entire x-sector theme has always been a little half baked (as are most of altons theming efforts frankly) but now we are hopefully seeing a full blown concept and story to bring it all together in a story. Oblivion obviously has the lord of darkness and the theory that its a scientific led story to see what happens, and why people dont make it.
The two flats have never had anything to back them up, they just semi match with grey (originally black) paint and one specific colour per attraction to join it: orange for oblivion, blue for submission, green for enterprise. Hopefully SW7 will also have its own colour to join in.

Saying that - I HOPE SW7 ISNT BLACK! It will make oblivion and the flats look AWFUL! Worse than they currently are. Nothing smacks of crap maintenance than putting a new ride next to and old one with the paint scheme showing how little investment the park has in one ride. Please merlin, paint the new ride grey or sort your existing ride colours out.

Also im a little concerned this ride may overshadow oblivion, its hard to be the headline attraction in an area with a new (potentially worlds first ride that breaks the area boundaries and is of a similar height. I suspect the impact of oblivion will be much less now, and shame it is too.

Back to my original point...
The Ministry of Joy could be revealed to be the original force behind x-sector, their x-perimantal area to cure patients by pushing them to the edge and seeing how they response with facing bad experiences i.e. facing oblivion, being held by your crotch upside down, going through lots of inversions - its not a hard story to pull together. I hope they do, Id love abit more depth to x-sector.
 
Im going to assume if SW7 has its own colour, like blivvys orange, it will be yellow? Same as the Sanctuary/MinistryOfJoy logos
 
I agree with Ben that introducing a more in-depth and consistent theme to X-Sector is a good idea, but I still don't want it shoved in our faces as a blatant "this is the story." I would rather see it achieved so that visitors come to the right conclusions using more subtle approaches
 
In this particular medium (theme park attractions), if a story isn't absolutely shoved in your face, the visitor won't even notice there is one, nevermind understand it.

I'm not saying guests are stupid, it's just one of the drawbacks of the format, universally. Disney understand this, and all their rides really shove the story in your face (i.e. WE ARE GOING INTO SPACE NOW LOOK).
 
Sam said:
In this particular medium (theme park attractions), if a story isn't absolutely shoved in your face, the visitor won't even notice there is one, nevermind understand it.

I'm not saying guests are stupid, it's just one of the drawbacks of the format, universally. Disney understand this, and all their rides really shove the story in your face (i.e. WE ARE GOING INTO SPACE NOW LOOK).
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But that only applies if the story is essential for your riding enjoyment.
For example people get a ride like Oblivion because it's very visually obvious what the ride is: Big Drop into Big Hole. That doesn't stop the ride from having a big convoluted back-story about The Lord of Darkness and X-Sector (although it doesn't) as long as that story doesn't distract your average guest from "Big Drop into Big Hole".

It all goes back to what Rupert was saying about context. If you give a ride context then people will get it. You can have a big story to go with that context as long as it isn’t the context itself.

This was the failing of Th13teen as they picked a theme that actually needed explaining but then didn’t do so.
 
Yeah, I'm not saying that rides only work with the public if they have a story, or that they need a story.

I'm just saying it's all or nothing: if you're going to have a story, you need to go all-out obvious with it, or the public won't notice/understand/care.

Think of how clear the Tower of Terror story is to every rider, compared to the Nemesis story, with approximately 0% of the public who ride it will notice.
 
Just a thought on the ministry of joy thing,what if the ride actually is meant to be the reactions to a new drug,the MOJ have created this new drug and the want to test it on subjects,could work with the scare maze aswell,this "drug" is given to you in a pre show and the the ride is the reaction,there is then an after show explaining stuff and the spider is an observation tower.
 
Sam said:
Yeah, I'm not saying that rides only work with the public if they have a story, or that they need a story.

I'm just saying it's all or nothing: if you're going to have a story, you need to go all-out obvious with it, or the public won't notice/understand/care.

Think of how clear the Tower of Terror story is to every rider, compared to the Nemesis story, with approximately 0% of the public who ride it will notice.
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To be fair, the Tower of Terror is a dark ride which includes two levels of pre-show before the actual ride - you can't really compare that with an out and out invert. I do agree though they should put some TV screens in the Nemesis queueline that outline the story in the same way as the Sub-Terra story is outlined.
 
Sam said:
Yeah, I'm not saying that rides only work with the public if they have a story, or that they need a story.

I'm just saying it's all or nothing: if you're going to have a story, you need to go all-out obvious with it, or the public won't notice/understand/care.

Think of how clear the Tower of Terror story is to every rider, compared to the Nemesis story, with approximately 0% of the public who ride it will notice.
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Dark rides have a different ethos all together when you consider stories, the rides are fully enclosed and often less dynamic than a roller coaster and guests have more time to take in the story. Even world famous dark roller coasters don't fully tell their story (space mountain) but are not fully devoid of one.

The benefit of having a backstory is you get a unified theming effort, just compare Nemesis to Th13teen, these roller coasters also tend to have a better atmosphere. Those who expect SW7 to portray a detailed back story will likely be disappointed, it's just nice to see they have considered a narrative to aid heming and the atmosphere of the ride.
 
They've been merged because the construction topic was just for construction updates only you couldn't stop discussion occurring anyway.

Effectively the SW7 Mini-site is now the place to see construction updates and everything else goes on here.
 
OllieeBee said:
Sorry if it's been asked, where has the sw7 construction topic gone? Cheers
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We have taken the decision to merge the construction and general topics as one. Each topic kept overlapping with discussion so we took the decision to merge them as one main topic.

We understand that some may not be happy with this if they just want to keep up with construction, although if you would like to follow construction, as well as members posting updates in here you can follow our SW7 Mini-Site which is updated regularly. We have a construction page to follow the construction of SW7 (as well as check out the history of the construction) and the interactive timeline which highlights the key changes in the development and construction of SW7.

:)

Edit: What Tim said. :p
 
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