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The Brexit Thread

delta79 said:
The EU does not really want other parts of them leaving. So will give us a bad deal to deter other member states following suit and activating article 50.
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When people say a 'bad deal' they often a mean a deal not as good as the one we have remaining in the bloc - that was seemingly a given, which is ultimately why I voted to remain, despite having some serious doubts and concerns over the way the EU is constructed and how it functions. We have "Germany Plus" to borrow a phrase, I don't understand what people thought was going to happen.

May's WA is far from perfect - far far from, but it was pretty pragmatic given all the moving pieces within it.
 
delta79 said:
The EU does not really want other parts of them leaving. So will give us a bad deal to deter other member states following suit and activating article 50.
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You have to ask the question, why would the EU give a better deal to non-member states than member states? The answer is obviously never because what's the point of a club when you get better benefits outside the club. Clearly that will never be allowed to happen.

Therefore you can conclude that whatever type of Brexit you get, it will always be less favourable than existing EU membership. Brexit only makes sense if you can offset those less favourable EU conditions against other trade deals with other countries. I don't see how the UK (66m people) can negotiate a better deal with the US or China than the EU (508m people) can.
 
Seen this on twitter.
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Im going to be cynical and say these Twitter analogies are getting more dull every time. Theyre funny the first few times but they are not real analogies the way the people retweeting them think they are (whichever way around you spin it).

It isnt an apple or orange preference and oops we chose the difficult option, better change it. Its (meant to be) about asking do we want a country that works under an extra layer of government as part of a big political union or not?

Oh well whatever. The bad ones are just when Random Twitter User thinks theyve worked out why theyre right and everyone else is wrong because something sounds good in a tweet.


Alsty said:
I don't see how the UK (66m people) can negotiate a better deal with the US or China than the EU (508m people) can.
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But what has population size got to do with trade? Playing devil's advocate, surely its about value of the exports and ability to export without the restraints of the EU. If the EU didnt exist would the UK not be allowed to trade with all those European countries?

I understand this is the whole debate really.. stronger trade is seemingly the reason politicians went along with the EU idea in the first place, but is it worth the implications of having to be part of a political union?
 
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Rick said:
@TakeYourMedicine Apologies, needlessly harsh flippant remark. I do think that's one of the better analogies though. No slaying of my nearest and dearest is always a plus.
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Maybe Ive just come to hate 'political tweets' in general, theres no real conversation there. Ive banged on about lighting before but hey.. it's a theme park forum! Im not a humorless stickler... I hope
 
TakeYourMedicine said:
But what has population size got to do with trade?
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Because that's the size of your market?

There's more people in the US to buy our products than there are people in the UK to buy US products, therefore we need the US more than we need them, therefore they can drive a harder bargain.

This is also why "taking control" is a fallacy. You can do trade either as part of a political union, where you have a say in the rules and regulations, or through trade agreements where the biggest player dictates the terms, ergo you have rules and regulations but with no say in them. Which is more democratic? Which gives you more control?
 
Alsty said:
This is also why "taking control" is a fallacy. You can do trade either as part of a political union, where you have a say in the rules and regulations, or through trade agreements where the biggest player dictates the terms, ergo you have rules and regulations but with no say in them. Which is more democratic? Which gives you more control?
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Very good point!
I suppose ideally this would be just what the EU is, a trading convenience, but increasingly the unelected EU writes its own rules (with MEPs just rubber stamping). Though of course Brexit has shown up how the country's own Parliament has huge problems as well. I'm not taking sides but the whole thing has taught me a lot anyway.
 
Can we just get Brexit over with one way or another, Itl be so much easier at the office once we know what's happening.
My office handles customs, my department doing export data entry so we will be directly impacted either way.

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John said:
Statistically speaking, probably about 5
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If judges were a fair cross section of normal society, I would agree. Sadly, as much as I would love to believe that this is a remoaner plot, I'd say it's a pretty fair bet that a very high percentage of judges in this country are the kind of leave voter that gives the rest of us a bad name.
 
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