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The Brexit Thread

I tell you what, Brexit or not they ain't arf tightening up on customs, previously you could quiet easily get stuff in from China and Hong Kong without being hit by duties etc. But both of my last two packages have been intercepted by customs and I've had to pay duty and vat.

Bear in mind that I have bought hundreds of items of all values from China and Hing Kong over the years, so to get two hit, I'm a row, tells me something is changing.

Best make sure those customs declarations are below £15 next time then lol.
 
Sorry Ian.
In recent times, once they have hit you once, you are on the database, so to speak.
Sister in Canada has had all gifts from family checked since she got "dutied" over there for purchases abroad.
 
rob666 said:
Sorry Ian.
In recent times, once they have hit you once, you are on the database, so to speak.
Sister in Canada has had all gifts from family checked since she got "dutied" over there for purchases abroad.
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It's always DHL, whenever stuff comes in Royal Mail, Yodel etc. It never gets hit, but DHL every-frigging-time lol.
 
Oh I bet Dave does.

IanSR said:
It's always DHL, whenever stuff comes in Royal Mail, Yodel etc. It never gets hit, but DHL every-frigging-time lol.
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In a follow up to this, I must give credit to Hobbyking who have given the money back to me in the form of a store credit, they didn't have to, but did anyway (said item was a warranty replacement that should have been declared at zero value but was declared at its full retail value due to Hong Kong office "being dumb" lol.

OT I know, but at least it's something good Brexit related.
 
Alsty said:
It's almost like leaving the EU without destroying our economy is difficult ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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The trouble is, they didn't spend the first 2 years planning for the day we leave, they spent it trying to formulate ways of stopping us from leaving completely or with a Brexit in name only. That's why Labour and Lib Dem's are going to get their arses kicked in the next general election. And I wouldn't bother with opinion polls etc to predict election results, not many admit to voting for Brexit publicly any more as they're sick of having to deny that they're racists. Easier to just stay quiet and vote against the scum in the next general election.
 
If I recall the Tory party tried initially to completely bypass parliament, then they made no effort to reach a cross party consensus about what shape Brexit should be. Being held hostage by the ERG they came up with a set of red lines that were not possible to meet. Then the Tories lost their majority, but still refused to compromise and instead ploughed on unfazed with their original plan. When the Withdrawal Agreement was finally presented to parliament, nobody could accept it even the Conservatives. That's why we're in this mess.

If from the start a cross party working group had been set up to find compromise and acceptable ways through, rather than "my way or the highway", we might've had something that could get through parliament by now.
 
The majority in parliament clearly wouldn't put through the true essence of Brexit so cross party talks would have been completely pointless. They simply don't accept the result of the referendum. It's undeniable.
 
BarryZola said:
The majority in parliament clearly wouldn't put through the true essence of Brexit so cross party talks would have been completely pointless. They simply don't accept the result of the referendum. It's undeniable.
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Maybe because they understand the lies that were peddled by Leave in order to secure the very narrow success that they achieved?
 
BarryZola said:
The majority in parliament clearly wouldn't put through the true essence of Brexit so cross party talks would have been completely pointless. They simply don't accept the result of the referendum. It's undeniable.
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It is MPs duty to represent the people who voted for them, they were chosen by their constituents. The advisory referendum taken 3 years ago should have no sway on MPs who were voted to represent alternative views more recently.

They don't have to accept the result because it was superceded by a general election, and it's their duty to uphold the values for which they were voted in. Doing anything else, for any reason, would be a betrayal of democracy (though it remains common).

One of the pillars of the leave campaign was to restore parlimentary sovereignty, what better way to show that parliments power is supreme than MPs upholding their values and standing up for the views they were voted for. Frustrating the process, largely for good reason, has shown the power parliment weilds over the country.

The leave vote is divided, the remain vote is divided, there is no majority for any way forward, no party has a majority either. Therefore the only solution (and only way to deliver brexit in a democratic way) is to remove the threat of 'no deal by accsident' by delaying brexit and calling a general election.

£75 billion spent on creating this mess so far, with no end in sight. Our constitutional crisis continues.
 
A lot of people seem to struggle with the actual concept of representative democracy.

MPs are expected to act *in the best interests of* their constituents, not to automatically agree with the majority of them.

Of course this doesn't always happen. But on matters such as Brexit which are complicated, where many are ill informed and where there will be a significant detrimental impact in the event of no deal, I think it's more than fair for MPs to make their own judgement.

We, the general public, are thick. If we had a referendum on the death penalty people would probably support that. Holding a referendum in the first place was the mistake, and we can blame Dave and decades of Tory in-fighting for that.
 
What was Leave at the time of the actual referendum?

I remember being told that we'd get the "easiest deal in history" by those advocating it, then it turned to Norway type deal, then none.

Having the vote as it was allowed for such an open view of what could happen in the event that no one can honestly say they knew what they were voting for.

You can say the reasons why you voted that way, but Leave was never set with boundaries as to what it would actually mean for the country.

Why haven't we left? Because the one deal we were offered (which was crap because of the red lines May introduced, you want to remove Freedom of Movement, you're getting nothing off the EU, which they said to rather deaf ears) was turned down by parliament. Because a certain amount know that No Deal works for them personally.

The actions of the current PM and his cronies show the lack of disdain they have for the apparent sovereignty that was a key point in the Leave argument. I'm glad that UK law is robust enough to ensure that such actions are treated as such, but the way they acted in Parliament yesterday is not the way a country in crisis should be run.

This goes beyond the original referendum now. Why else would we have a PM openly saying they'll break the law to ensure an apparent democracy?
 
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