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[2024] Nemesis Reborn: Construction and Speculation

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Dave said:
You only have to get in the Wicker Man queue at the end of a busy day to see how much quicker you start to move through the queue once they have cleared fast track and disabled.
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This is exactly what I have been saying many times on here before, not just the Wicker Man, but this happens with all the other rides, it is surprising how much quicker the queue lines move once they shut the queue lines compared to the rest of the day, plus the staff pick up pace as they are wanting to go home ;)
 
Benjsh said:
It's crazy to think that a coaster that's 26 years old this coming season is still arguably the best coaster in the UK.

A lot of people said Icon had topped it when it first opened but I see opinions already started to change on that now the hype had died down. Nemmy is simply incredible how it's kept that number 1 status so long. Only an RMC can knock it off it's top spot now for me. They've tried mostly everything else and still haven't beat it.
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If the big one had have been done better, given the current speed and potential velocity it could have reached from it's great height, it would have probably topped nemesis only just. However what we get in the Big one is a one trick pony in the first drop. The rest is nothing worth holding on for. I've had better rides going over the bridges of the toon on a Metro than the rest of the track after the first drop at Blackpool.

Nemesis packs a punch every second of the ride and it keeps on going until your legs swing left to right and come to a halt in the middle while you face the boarding station.

Nothing at all competes with Nemesis.
 
Ethan said:
It's 2020 and people are talking about the potential demise of nemesis already. It won't be going anyway until at least 2030 I'd say
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It won't be going anywhere at anytime. It's a solid coaster and if things need replacing like the track etc, they will be replaced. However given the engineering on B&M coasters compared to others, they are solid. Blackpool is replacing track on the big one, whereas nemesis is riding along just fine still after all of these years.

Nemesis is not going anywhere. There's nothing you can put in it's place that could beat it. If it costs another say, £10 million to re-track and upgrade the trains, it's a worthy investment all round for the park if it continues it's upgrade and expansion elsewhere.
 
Godscrasher said:
However given the engineering on B&M coasters compared to others, they are solid. Blackpool is replacing track on the big one, whereas nemesis is riding along just fine still after all of these years.

Nemesis is not going anywhere. There's nothing you can put in it's place that could beat it. If it costs another say, £10 million to re-track and upgrade the trains, it's a worthy investment all round for the park if it continues it's upgrade and expansion elsewhere.
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Nemesis has had track re-done. Shockwave I believe is the only '94 coaster that hasn't had any form of re-tracking.
 
It opened at the perfect time in 1994. I do wonder if it was built today (not re tracked like for like) would it still be as intense. Similar layout but twigged abit due to advances in technology in stress on tracks/footers calculations- along with awful padded restrains like on Swarm.

I love everything about this classic. They just created a perfect ride & John Wardley was right when he asked Walter Bolliger on Nemesis’ opening day “How do we top this?”
 
Matt878787 said:
It opened at the perfect time in 1994. I do wonder if it was built today (not re tracked like for like) would it still be as intense. Similar layout but twigged abit due to advances in technology in stress on tracks/footers calculations- along with awful padded restrains like on Swarm.

I love everything about this classic. They just created a perfect ride & John Wardley was right when he asked Walter Bolliger on Nemesis’ opening day “How do we top this?”
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JW & WB never did top this in my view. Oblivion at the time came close, but essentially is a one trick pony now compared to other dice machines. AIR ‘could’ have been that ride, I think, if original plans were implemented.
I would love to have seen the stand up designed for the smiler site, given how compact that site is I feel this would have been some coaster
 
Jb85 said:
I would love to have seen the stand up designed for the smiler site, given how compact that site is I feel this would have been some coaster
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Given that most stand-up coasters are painfully rough (especially thinking about TOGO) and there hasn't been a new one since the 90s, I doubt that concept would have lasted long. When designing a new roller coaster you try to look at several possibilities including ones which might sound cool but in practice aren't as good as as they sound.
 
Jb85 said:
JW & WB never did top this in my view. Oblivion at the time came close, but essentially is a one trick pony now compared to other dice machines. AIR ‘could’ have been that ride, I think, if original plans were implemented.
I would love to have seen the stand up designed for the smiler site, given how compact that site is I feel this would have been some coaster
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The stand-up was designed for Katanga Canyon.
 
Matt878787 said:
It opened at the perfect time in 1994. I do wonder if it was built today (not re tracked like for like) would it still be as intense. Similar layout but twigged abit due to advances in technology in stress on tracks/footers calculations- along with awful padded restrains like on Swarm.

I love everything about this classic. They just created a perfect ride & John Wardley was right when he asked Walter Bolliger on Nemesis’ opening day “How do we top this?”
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Isn't Walter Bolliger on record somewhere (or John is quoting Walter) saying that he sees Nemesis as one of B&M's best if not the best inverted coaster they've ever made?
 
If only secret weapon didn't become a synonymous with world first after Nemmy. We could have a sweet floorless dive machine with a 90 degree drop, a partially subterranean pretzel loop, and an RMC by now. Also, 13 would be in the Haunted House building while I'm living in dreamland.
 
John said:
Fastrack demand is largely generated by queue length. Why pay £6 for Nemesis FT when the queue is only 15 minutes?
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Only in part. I remember many an occasion working on Nemesis in the days of the "Silver FastTrack card" [it gave you one FT on all of the main rides - was only bookable in advance & numbers were limited each day. You'd often get guests rocking up at the exit with their FT pass at 10:15am when the normal queue was 10-15mins. You'd suggest to them to queue up now & use the pass later when the queue would be much longer. You got about a 50% success rate.
 
Steve74 said:
Isn't Walter Bolliger on record somewhere (or John is quoting Walter) saying that he sees Nemesis as one of B&M's best if not the best inverted coaster they've ever made?
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Walter Bolliger (or indeed any B&M staff member) will never say on record what their favourite ride is. To do so would risk offending their customers by suggesting one of their rides is better than another, quite possibly at a competitors park.

I have met Walter Bolliger several times at IAAPA & spoken with him at length about their rides. I did try to get a "which ride is best?" out of him and all I got was "they are all great rides". Perfect answer that risks zero offence to any customer.
 
Kraken27 said:
Walter Bolliger (or indeed any B&M staff member) will never say on record what their favourite ride is. To do so would risk offending their customers by suggesting one of their rides is better than another, quite possibly at a competitors park.

I have met Walter Bolliger several times at IAAPA & spoken with him at length about their rides. I did try to get a "which ride is best?" out of him and all I got was "they are all great rides". Perfect answer that risks zero offence to any customer.
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I didn't say that he said it was his favourite, but the best the company had made. I suspect if he said it, it was very soon after Nemesis was built so it may not even be a valid statement anymore with the likes of newer inverts such as Black Mamba at Phantasialand
 
Kraken27 said:
Walter Bolliger (or indeed any B&M staff member) will never say on record what their favourite ride is. To do so would risk offending their customers by suggesting one of their rides is better than another, quite possibly at a competitors park.
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I dont think park managements care about their rides that personally to get offended by some comment, it's more that it's a pointless question which he thinks is 'better' or not.

It's like asking someone (who probably doesnt have much personal attachment to the coasters he's built either) which of their own coasters is good or bad. He's trying to sell coasters, of course he's gonna tell you that theyre all good!
 
OilyWater said:
I dont think park managements care about their rides that personally to get offended by some comment, it's more that it's a pointless question which he thinks is 'better' or not.

It's like asking someone (who probably doesnt have much personal attachment to the coasters he's built either) which of their own coasters is good or bad. He's trying to sell coasters, of course he's gonna tell you that theyre all good!
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It's not the B&M way to make comments about individual rides - they always let the park (i.e. the ride owner) do the talking. The B&M stand at IAAPA is very low-key compared to some of the other manufacturers. It is understated, but oozes quality - just like their rides.

Whilst there are relatively few coaster manufacturers out there, you never offend your customers with comments about the quality of the product / which of your products are best. You only gave to look back what happened when Gerald Ratner made that infamous off-the-cuff comment about the quality of the products he sold. The customers were offended and Ratners disappeared.
 
Kraken27 said:
You only gave to look back what happened when Gerald Ratner made that infamous off-the-cuff comment about the quality of the products he sold. The customers were offended and Ratners disappeared.
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That's because he suggested his own product was rubbish, which is what I was saying is the only reason B&M wouldnt state Nemesis/whatever hasnt been beaten, because it would suggest they're no good since. Nothing to do with offending parks, just promotion.

But let's be realistic, B&M arent gonna disappear if they say a comment either, otherwise theyd sue John Wardley to oblivion for always bringing out that anecdote about Nemesis

Unless there is some secret coaster moral code, I dont think people in the theme park world take themselves as seriously as the jewellery industry! (a good thing)
 
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