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The Brexit Thread

Dave said:
I fail to see how trading outside of the EU increases job growth, we had around 120 trade deals with the world as part of the EU we are not going to get better terms as an independent nation.
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Again, not my opinion, @Matt N was asking what people's perceived benefits of brexit were and these are they.

In some cases in the longer term we might be better off, in many cases in the shorter term it's hard to see that we will be.
 
The job growth that'll happen when most companies close down factories as already seen will be negative.

I guess we can force everyone onto low pay fruit picking instead.
 
I don't think the British public understand what the consequences of No Deal really are. I think a lot of people have been blinded by the "project FEAR" group, who basically attempted to shut down discussion surrounding it and have done for some time. The "we've had enough of experts" types.

I hate to say it, but the easiest conclusion I came to before voting in 2016 was to vote remain in order to prevent the chaos I foresaw.

And, to be honest, the way Johnson and his wreckless colleagues are going - the chaos is only just beginning.
 
AstroDan said:
I don't think the British public understand what the consequences of No Deal really are. I think a lot of people have been blinded by the "project FEAR" group, who basically attempted to shut down discussion surrounding it and have done for some time. The "we've had enough of experts" types.

I hate to say it, but the easiest conclusion I came to before voting in 2016 was to vote remain in order to prevent the chaos I foresaw.

And, to be honest, the way Johnson and his wreckless colleagues are going - the chaos is only just beginning.
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I’ll be very honest; even as someone who’s never supported Brexit, I don’t really understand what the consequences of no-deal are, either. I know that it’s a possibility that could happen on 1st January once the transition period has ended, but I’m not really sure what effect it will actually end up having on our everyday lives.

I must admit that Brexit is something I’m growing increasingly nervous about, however... I had fears about leaving the EU in the first place, and I do worry massively about the consequences it could have.

Also, what do you mean by “the chaos is only just beginning” when we’re well and truly leaving the EU on 31st December?
 
Matt N said:
I’ll be very honest; even as someone who’s never supported Brexit, I don’t really understand what the consequences of no-deal are, either. I know that it’s a possibility that could happen on 1st January once the transition period has ended, but I’m not really sure what effect it will actually end up having on our everyday lives.

I must admit that Brexit is something I’m growing increasingly nervous about, however...

Also, what do you mean by “the chaos is only just beginning” when we’re well and truly leaving the EU on 31st December?
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It sounds like, simply put, you just need to do a little Googling about what No Deal means and, especially, how much trade we do with the EU.

The description I could give here about economic impacts for your basket of shopping, clothes you buy, wine you drink, car you buy and things you sell - let alone other elements.

If there is a No Deal come 1st January 2021, there will be utter chaos at ports around Britain, business both large and small without a clue as what needs to be done in order to buy and sell and an immediate economic punch to add in to the already dire Covid mix.

Search WTO trade terms to find out more.
 
AstroDan said:
It sounds like, simply put, you just need to do a little Googling about what No Deal means and, especially, how much trade we do with the EU.

The description I could give here about economic impacts for your basket of shopping, clothes you buy, wine you drink, car you buy and things you sell - let alone other elements.

If there is a No Deal come 1st January 2021, there will be utter chaos at ports around Britain, business both large and small without a clue as what needs to be done in order to buy and sell and an immediate economic punch to add in to the already dire Covid mix.

Search WTO trade terms to find out more.
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So are you saying that we are screwed?
 
Thameslink Rail said:
So are you saying that we are screwed?
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If there is no deal, in many respects, yes - we are screwed - at least in the short term. In the medium term, depending on whether any agreement can be ironed out soon - we will be less screwed.

But...in any eventuality, Deal or No Deal - Brexit is going to negatively affect the economy. Fact.

Of course, there are many who will glady see a negative economic impact (which is perhaps less visible to their every day lives) for the sake of limiting immigration and not being part of a large group of countries who make laws together.
 
AstroDan said:
But...in any eventuality, Deal or No Deal - Brexit is going to negatively affect the economy. Fact.
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I think that's harder to call, as entirely depends on the deal and what transpires, plus the length of time you are measuring the effects of Brexit and how you clarify what is Brexit vs. what is Covid, for example.

Obviously a lot of game playing going on and almost anything could happen between now and Sunday, but it is interesting how the "easiest deal in history" mob are now talking about how a deal isn't needed.
 
I’m intrigued about if we hit January 1st with no deal will be how much health insurance will rise once we lose the free health care. I can honestly see cheap holidays become quite expensive over night for a while at least.
 
Rick said:
I think that's harder to call, as entirely depends on the deal and what transpires, plus the length of time you are measuring the effects of Brexit and how you clarify what is Brexit vs. what is Covid, for example.

Obviously a lot of game playing going on and almost anything could happen between now and Sunday, but it is interesting how the "easiest deal in history" mob are now talking about how a deal isn't needed.
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Whilst I am inclined to agree with you, is there any study or research which implies any overall positive economic outcome from Brexit? I mean over 200 years, possibly. But you know... over, say our lifetimes?
 
Rick said:
I think that's harder to call, as entirely depends on the deal and what transpires, plus the length of time you are measuring the effects of Brexit and how you clarify what is Brexit vs. what is Covid, for example.
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When we see our 27 neighbours recover economically over the next few years, whilst we're wallowing in a mess of our own making, then we can pretty much assume that any economic hits that we face next year will be as a result of Brexit.
 
Mr Pearse said:
I’m intrigued about if we hit January 1st with no deal will be how much health insurance will rise once we lose the free health care. I can honestly see cheap holidays become quite expensive over night for a while at least.
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For us younger folk without pre-existing conditions there's unlikely to be a rise. For those older folk with a higher risk profile, they're bound to see a massive hike. Which is another bewildering thought around the whole thing...
 
It's not worth worrying about, is it? It's all out of our hands now.

Come Jan 1st the sun will rise, the sun will set. We might have some things to adjust to but life will continue.
 
pluk said:
It's not worth worrying about, is it? It's all out of our hands now.

Come Jan 1st the sun will rise, the sun will set. We might have some things to adjust to but life will continue.
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Life always continues, it’s been a few thousand years since the binary state of life has been the definition of a “good idea” for our species.

The truth of brexit is about to be presented, curious to
See what happens next.
 
pluk said:
It's not worth worrying about, is it? It's all out of our hands now.

Come Jan 1st the sun will rise, the sun will set. We might have some things to adjust to but life will continue.
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On the contrary, it is worth worrying about. No political upheaval greater has occurred in my lifetime.

If that's not worth some worry, nothing is.

To boot, I have parents who bought a home and retired to France. Adds to the worry yet more.

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AstroDan said:
On the contrary, it is worth worrying about. No political upheaval greater has occurred in my lifetime.

If that's not worth some worry, nothing is.

To boot, I have parents who bought a home and retired to France. Adds to the worry yet more.

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What is worrying going to achieve, for you yourself or for anyone?

Worry about the things you can influence. Worrying about things you cant is just stress.
 
pluk said:
What is worrying going to achieve, for you yourself or for anyone?

Worry about the things you can influence. Worrying about things you cant is just stress.
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A reasonable level of worry demonstrates due care and concern.

I'm not sat here sweating over it. Nor hyperventilating. Nor having sleepless nights.

If someone said "I'm not worried about Brexit" suggest a lack of concern - or even warmth towards it.

Proportionate worry

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