pluk
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The police say hi also.
You can't do the pointy end of our job socially distanced in any meaningful way, and we cant chose to not do our job either. We have no sniff of a vaccine or any testing.
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The police say hi also.
You can't do the pointy end of our job socially distanced in any meaningful way, and we cant chose to not do our job either. We have no sniff of a vaccine or any testing.
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The reason that it is all quite on the vaccine for the general public is just that. Nurses, care assistants, doctors and paramedics are being vaccinated.
I think all 999 frontline staff should get vaccinated as soon as possible.
There is going to be a massive ramp up in vaccination happening very soon.
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Fully agree. I wasn't at all saying you shouldn't be included or anything. Virtually all key workers should get priority for the vaccine!
Islander
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Lol. This is the problem, not one of you really are in any way wrong - you all deserve the vaccine. But there are just too many groups that really should be prioritised, and sadly they can't all be.
For all this government's many, many failings, I don't think their plans for the vaccine rollout can really be criticised too much.
Signed: a lowly, not-medically-vulnerable, young adult theme park worker... so bottom of the list : )
For all this government's many, many failings, I don't think their plans for the vaccine rollout can really be criticised too much.
Signed: a lowly, not-medically-vulnerable, young adult theme park worker... so bottom of the list : )
pluk
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Oh I know, there's loads of us in similar boats.
I'm comfortable with it being those most at risk in society af the moment. It's easy to forget just how new the vaccine is and what an incredible feat the rollout so far has been. Its still very early days and j don't expect it outside of NHS and society's most vulnerable for months yet. And rightly so really.
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I was just writing pretty much the same thing. I don't mean to come across like we'd be more deserving than others.
Themeparksandy1981
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It doesn’t matter whatever tier people are put in or keeping everything closed people have been visiting other households and I only have to look out my window to see the amount of people having visitors in the past week. My next door neighbour had her parents round nearly every day this week. The couple opposite have had different friends round and that’s what I seen just by washing up. I only seen my MIL as she’s in our support bubble.
Through out this pandemic, all I've been hearing is "open up the economy and shield the valuable". The vulnerable have been very patience, they have been shielding giving up contact with friends, family and the outside world whilst the rest of the country has gone out and about flouting the rules left right and centre.
The NHS and health care workers too right should be prioritise with getting the vaccine as they are putting their lives on the line to save ours.
If you are a key worker and fall in the vulnerable list, then you will get yours when it is your turn.
The vulnerable were promise that they would be first in line for the vaccine, but have been moved down the list since the vaccine has been announced.
The attitude has come across over the last year "open up the economy and shield the vulnerable.......now we have a vaccine, screw the vulnerable!!!"
After 9 months of shielding, we too would just love to be able to get out and about as well as hug our family
Everyone will be offered the vaccine and the restrictions will not be lifted until the most of the vulnerable have been vaccinated. So if you prioritize key workers, you are then going to push back the vulnerable which will then delay the lifting of the restrictions.
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I feel bad for the situation teachers are in but I have to agree they are quite far down the priority list.
All the groups previously mentioned here (NHS staff, Care staff, Police, Fire Fighters, Food Processing workers, Supermarket Employeese) I consider higher risk. That's a huge list of people before even considering the vulnerable.
On that list are jobs which are either directly in contact with Covid or can't implement the social distancing required too avoide it due to the nature of their work.
A class room can be a controlled environment even though it is not an ideal one.
So I don't think the vaccination order should be changed (beyond adding teachers near the end of the list). The real decision should be down to how essential schools are and if its sensible to keep them open.
Can we write of an academic year and have a generation graduate at 17, 19 and 22 for example?
But then there's also the argument that if kids arn't at school their parents can't work. I don't know anyone who has the luxury of a stay at home parent anymore.
Opinions on the matter seems to be divided 50 50, which has unfortunately put teachers in the position they are in.
All the groups previously mentioned here (NHS staff, Care staff, Police, Fire Fighters, Food Processing workers, Supermarket Employeese) I consider higher risk. That's a huge list of people before even considering the vulnerable.
On that list are jobs which are either directly in contact with Covid or can't implement the social distancing required too avoide it due to the nature of their work.
A class room can be a controlled environment even though it is not an ideal one.
So I don't think the vaccination order should be changed (beyond adding teachers near the end of the list). The real decision should be down to how essential schools are and if its sensible to keep them open.
Can we write of an academic year and have a generation graduate at 17, 19 and 22 for example?
But then there's also the argument that if kids arn't at school their parents can't work. I don't know anyone who has the luxury of a stay at home parent anymore.
Opinions on the matter seems to be divided 50 50, which has unfortunately put teachers in the position they are in.
The priority list is for those that are at high risk of either dying from the virus or getting very severe symptoms and is not for those that are at high risk of catching it. Remember a majority of people that catches covid will either have no or mild symptoms. It's the 1% of people that are at high risk of getting severe symptoms that needs to be protected to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed.
BigT
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I was making my point in jest about food process workers but it does make a serious point, people who are not venerable should not jump the queue whatever their profession with the exception of healthcare.
We mustn’t loose sight of the fact that for most people this virus is no worse than a cold, once the old and venerable have been vaccinated we will be able to lift restrictions more or less completely as the NHS will be able to cope with the then tiny comparative numbers.
We mustn’t loose sight of the fact that for most people this virus is no worse than a cold, once the old and venerable have been vaccinated we will be able to lift restrictions more or less completely as the NHS will be able to cope with the then tiny comparative numbers.
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I’ve had a look at the case rates, and it would appear that Tier 4 restrictions may be working in parts of the southeast, as cases are beginning to go down in certain parts of the country that have been in Tier 4 for longer.
Hopefully this bodes well for the rest of the country that has recently been placed into Tier 4.
Hopefully this bodes well for the rest of the country that has recently been placed into Tier 4.
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If that was true then NHS staff would not be a priority. The real list is a mixture of two lists, the vulnerability one that you just mentioned, and the list I was referring too which puts people at a greater risk of catching or spreading the virus. Neither can be ignored.
Most of the vulnerable list comes at the top of this list, but not all of it. My family are considered medium level vulnerable which puts them after NHS works but probably before police.
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Health care workers are at higher risk or mortality or severe symptoms as they are exposed to a higher concentration of the virus...
....plus they need to be well enough to look after the sick/dying, as well to administer the vaccine. Otherwise if the NHS staff become ill, then it puts more pressure on the NHS because there is less staff to handle the hospital admissions.
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It's worth considering that those with symptoms have to self-isolate even if they don't get severely impacted by the disease itself. That is another consideration in the vaccination priority list.
Whilst it is important to vaccine the clinically vulnerable and those at the highest risk of dying from it, NHS workers are also a priority because if half their staff are off work on self-isolation then there's nobody to man the ICU wards and help the sick.
Having staff off work does extend to other professions but it is mainly an inconvenience rather than being life-endangering.
Whilst it is important to vaccine the clinically vulnerable and those at the highest risk of dying from it, NHS workers are also a priority because if half their staff are off work on self-isolation then there's nobody to man the ICU wards and help the sick.
Having staff off work does extend to other professions but it is mainly an inconvenience rather than being life-endangering.
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All your points are correct
But the priority list doesn't end once all the vulnerable have been vaccinated. The goal is 100% vaccination (or at least high enough that we achieve heard immunity). Once all the vulnerable have been vaccinated there still has to be an order to who's vaccinated next. My point is that teachers would still unfortunately be quite far down the list.
Islander
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To be honest, I can’t imagine the priority list would go into that much detail. There’s little point.
Top priority is the vulnerable and elderly, and NHS workers. Then you have the slightly less elderly (70+, then 60+ etc), and those with underlying conditions.
At some point though, there’ll be less classification, and it’ll get to a point where the goal is “...and everybody else”. Has to, otherwise you could continue breaking down forever.
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Top priority is the vulnerable and elderly, and NHS workers. Then you have the slightly less elderly (70+, then 60+ etc), and those with underlying conditions.
At some point though, there’ll be less classification, and it’ll get to a point where the goal is “...and everybody else”. Has to, otherwise you could continue breaking down forever.
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The important thing is that everyone will get the opportunity to be vaccinated eventually, and I think that the vaccine will become more widely available to the young and non-vulnerable by the spring based on what the government is saying.
