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Save the British Theme Park Industry

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So I've been reading through Matt N's topic about why smaller UK parks are struggling and it's just something that I find depressing (and I assume that many of you would agree with me there), I would really like to do something to save British Theme Parks, I would like to do some campaign to get people back to their local parks (when Boris lets us of course). Is this something that anyone here would be interested in or is my idea a non-starter.
 
So I've been reading through Matt N's topic about why smaller UK parks are struggling and it's just something that I find depressing (and I assume that many of you would agree with me there), I would really like to do something to save British Theme Parks, I would like to do some campaign to get people back to their local parks (when Boris lets us of course). Is this something that anyone here would be interested in or is my idea a non-starter.
It's a good idea, I think the key will be timing
 
This isn't just about small parks. This is across the whole UK industry.

Towers have been through the mire for a while however looked to be recovering pretty well on the back of Wickerman success, obviously before Covid struck. Thorpe are still stuck in it and in a big way. That park is an abomination. Blackpool's numbers aren't good at all either. Icon didn't have the desired impact they had hoped.

Of course the smaller more regional parks have it worse but the quality is just not there. I won't pay £20 to 25 to visit a regional park which has mainly fairground rides. It's just not worth it.

I still believe Brits will pay top dollar for a top quality day out. Lots still travel abroad to Disney and other parks for example at great expense. However the theme park industry over here has treated it's customers so poorly for so long they have now began to feel the pinch. Bad customer service, questionable additions / rethemes / removals and poor opening hrs has led to many parks being a pale shadow of what they once were.

I think the Industry will take another huge battering over the next 2 to 3 years too. We are sadly going to lose more parks. Lightwater Valley will not survive 2021 I don't think.
 
In my honest opinion the theme park industry is on its knees because it’s not popular as it used to be. Look at the most visited attractions and not one park in the top 20 and that’s from 2019. I have no idea what’s the best solution going forward but obviously the smaller parks are high on the list of ones who will struggle in the foreseeable future. The only way the parks can survive in the long term is down to the park owners and how they adapt and move forward if not the parks will just stagnant and slowly disappear.
 
I find it strange that people are talking about this like it's some contemporary thing ... growing up in Lancashire with BPB, Camelot, Frontierland, (proper) Pleasureland and Granada Studios on my doorstep - one out of the five remains.

If we were going further afield American Adventure, Coney Beach, Ocean Beach, Loudoun Castle, Pleasure Island or Spanish City were options, not anymore.

That said, theme parks are businesses, they earn patronage by providing a fun, safe, good value day out versus whatever else is vying for your disposable income.

I say this with the greatest of sympathy and respect, you have to take warm fuzzies out of the mix, because the balance sheet doesn't care about them.
 
I find it strange that people are talking about this like it's some contemporary thing ... growing up in Lancashire with BPB, Camelot, Frontierland, (proper) Pleasureland and Granada Studios on my doorstep - one out of the five remains.

If we were going further afield American Adventure, Coney Beach, Ocean Beach, Loudoun Castle, Pleasure Island or Spanish City were options, not anymore.

That said, theme parks are businesses, they earn patronage by providing a fun, safe, good value day out versus whatever else is vying for your disposable income.
The difference then was that there were new parks being built and new rides that were competing with the rest of the world. (Remember the boom in new parks in the 80s and the year of the coaster in '94)
More recently we've pretty much only seen parks decline. We haven't had a big new park for 25 years and many parks have had little to no investment for years and the few parks that have invested have generally not had much return leading to less investment.
 
The difference then was that there were new parks being built and new rides that were competing with the rest of the world. (Remember the boom in new parks in the 80s and the year of the coaster in '94)
More recently we've pretty much only seen parks decline. We haven't had a big new park for 25 years and many parks have had little to no investment for years and the few parks that have invested have generally not had much return leading to less investment.
Yes, I remember that ... you don't! The world was a very different place, the cost of building and maintaining parks/rides was lower, operating them cost far less and the expectation was infinitely smaller, meanwhile the competition for the money in your pocket was immeasurably smaller.

Comparisons of that nature are not helpful and are misleading.
 
In my opinion if you take away merlins constant cheap ticket offers and free tickets and they charged normal rates like every other park they wouldn’t have the visitor numbers they have now. That’s where they can financially dominant the market by being able to afford to give away cheap tickets/passes enticing people. That’s how bad in my eyes the theme park industry is in the uk if the only way to the top is by giving away cheap/free tickets.
 
I think the biggest problem been value for money.
Now I went with my wife and daughter to Devon in 2018 for 4 nights and we went to the Milky Way theme park and Watermouth Castle theme park and both cost less than £40 each to get In with spending roughly £20 each park so about £120 and we felt we got value for money for the food and where there wasn’t thrilling rides/attractions it made up for the other attractions like crazy golf, pitch and putt, archery and live entertainment indoor and out. They both opened at 10am and closed at 6pm and we spend all day there. Now for the same price I couldn’t even get into any Merlin Park with parking for 1 day (using 1 2 for 1 voucher)
I speak to people and the 2 things there looking forward most this spring/summer is going the pub again and away on holiday.
I do think You tube really had stopped a lot of people going the parks as they see the rides and think I’m not queuing over a hour for that 90 sec ride.
Even when guests do go the park they not looking at the coaster there heads are stuck into there phones on social media.
I love watching old videos from theme parks in the 90s,2000’s with families having fun and friends having a laugh.
 
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I don't get what your point is of this topic?

It comes across as essentially just a personal whinge at theme parks in the UK. Which have largely BEEN SHUT FOR A YEAR, I mean come on, I'll stick the boot in on merlin but this is just misjudged, is one persons opinion and almost slander.

You asked for a suggestion on the letter, here's mine: Burn it.
 
The problems with the UK industry run far, far deeper than any of the points you've made I'm afraid.
  • I agree that Merlin have a monopoly on the industry. However, I doubt a lot of operators could really run them independently in the current climate and under increased operating costs (Rick has already touched on this).
  • Having any sort of advertisement explaining safety has the opposite effect. Reactive statements were put out by Merlin after the Smiler accident as well as video explanations of any subsequent minor incidents for a while. But you don't want to actively publicise the fact you've had accidents over actually advertising the park's offerings. For the vast majority, accidents at parks are not in their mind these days
  • Guest numbers do not accurately represent a park making a profit. Average revenue per guest is the key indicator, which is not public knowledge for the vast majority of parks across the world, yet alone the UK.
  • There's a real underestimation of the running costs of a theme park. As Rick already mentioned maintenance costs can be sky high, minimum wage was introduced and continues to rise. The pound isn't as strong as it once was so it costs more to purchase rides as they come from abroad, and they're infinitely more complex than they used to be too. In terms of Chessington, there's the zoo to consider too which can't simply be switched off - it has to be run at the same standard whether there are guests entering the park or not. Likewise with all the southern attractions, the wage costs are even higher than other parks and attractions.
  • The parks already take into consideration and are well aware of what they make back from Fastrack and what the hit on their customer satisfaction is. For parks with a high number of pass holders with thrill attractions (hey Thorpe) it's often the only way they will manage to make any decent level of profit, so they are worth the damage I'm afraid.
  • I think there's a real misgiving that theme parks within Merlin are what makes them money, but sadly it's not. The midway attractions are where they make their fortune, which is why we've seen such an expansion on them in the past decade or so. In comparison to the theme parks, they're less technically challenging so they're far cheaper to build, they're on a smaller footprint of land and they're located in tourist areas that already have high footfall. I don't see any sort of proof that profits from UK parks are being spent overseas either, as there's nothing in their previous reports as a public company that demonstrate that.
Finally, we really need to remember that the thrill market makes very, very little money in comparison to the family market. There's a reason Paulton's do so well in comparison to others, why Alton Towers built CBeebie's Land and the hotel and why Drayton Manor have concentrated on Thomas Land so much. Families will visit, buy day tickets, spend lots on merchandise and food, maybe stay over too. Thrill markets are more likely to be pass holders, not spend as much on merchandise and are more likely to drive home after a day at the theme park. Lightwater have realised this, hence their repositioning, albeit in my view too late and on too much of a shoestring budget to really save them I'm afraid.

The UK market has been in demise for a lot longer than Covid being around, or even Merlin coming along. The real reason for a theme park - escapism, was lost. Operators had an obsession with getting as many people through the turnstiles and into queues for rides, with low entry prices being the attraction - a "pile it high sell it cheap" approach. Because the gate price was so low, investment inevitably took a hit. The experience element was lost, live entertainment was reduced, food options were watered down and ride operations were reduced. That's then not an easy hole to dig yourself out of, as that low ticket price and lack of extras for people to spend their money on disappeared. That's where the "quick fixes" of Fastrack came in. Get the big spenders to spend big, and then you can keep the low ticket prices for everyone else. What they should be doing is ensuring everyone has a decent time and spends additional money by teasing that money out of your wallet.

We saw a shift toward that with Oktoberfest this year with entertainment and the additional F+B stalls being left out for Scarefest. From what I saw, it seems to have been received extremely well, and I really hope it continues, but sadly Covid means everything will be baby steps for the next 18 months to two years while the industry recovers, especially for the smaller parks.
 
You asked for a suggestion on the letter, here's mine: Burn it.

I mean, parks wouldn't even file it under delete, it'd land in spam and stay there.

I'm all for supporting good parks and am happy to try out new parks, but the way you vote is with your feet and wallet, not trying to tell massive companies how to spend their money and what to buy and how to operate their social media. It'd be like me telling you to only post pictures of squirrels in the Tavern whilst standing on one leg and telling you to get your friends to do the same. Irrational and stupid and you'd look at it, tell it to do a hike and not care.

Dear Merlin, please create more money somehow to buy things to please the <1% of visitors who are enthusiasts, signed, enthusiasts.
 
As is often the way, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. The UK theme park industry is in a real mess. A lot of parks have closed, most of the ones that are left are struggling. It’ll take more than a letter to save the industry, but that doesn’t mean we should throw our hands up in despair. If the enthusiasts don’t save the industry, who will?

We’ve all got skills and I’m sure there are things we can all do to help save the industry. Here’s an example of something very small that I’ve been doing. One of the many problems that the UK industry faces is a national shortage of engineers. The free market nature of the UK education system means far more people are doing arts subjects than engineering or science based subjects. They’re cheaper qualifications for universities to provide, and easier to sell to many 16 year olds. For various reasons, there’s also been a big decline in the number of apprenticeships.

This is a major problem for theme parks, where the quality of their engineering department is important to their success. Before the pandemic the majority of UK parks were permanently advertising for engineers. It’s not unusual for the head of engineering at a UK theme park to be someone without a degree. It’s not that unusual for parks to have rides closed partly due to vacancies in their engineering department.

I started going into schools and running free engineering workshops based around roller coaster design. Hopefully that will encourage more students to at least consider engineering and the theme park industry. Will that save the theme parks? No, but there are thousands of enthusiasts and we’ve all got talents. Let’s not underestimate ourselves.
 
Amusement parks have always gone in and out of fashion.
Seventies was a peak, with the development of steel, and the mid nineties.
People will pay for a premium product abroad, but not in the UK anymore.
Wristbands meant there was no cheap option for families anymore, which meant a loss of a considerable portion of the market and secondary spend.
There are now a lot of leisure alternatives that simply weren't there in the earlier peaks in popularity of parks.
Parks are very vulnerable to recession, so things could be about to get even worse.
Edit...Showing my age again Rick...New Brighton, Shipley Glen and Belle Vue have also closed in the north west in my lifetime...visited both...all three even mr edit.
That puts Northern closures in double figures.
In answer to the original post, no.
 
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Imagine what the thoughts on here would've been if we were back in 2004/05 seasons.

Stagnation has happened, on top of some questionable investments and of course the crash have all contributed to the recent problems. Value for money has also vanished for the majority of UK parks (especially Merlin ones, which is why the BOGOF model is essential for them).

But lobbying the government isn't necessarily going to make say Blackpool design Icon slightly better or make Merlin extend their hours.
 
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