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Will we ever see another large-scale 4D coaster?

Matt N

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Hi guys. 4D coasters seem to have become all the rage as of late, with S&S’ 4D Free Spin model in particular flying off the shelves at the moment. But it’s quite easy to forget that before the era of modern, compact 4D coasters, it was a different type of 4D coaster that started it all; the original 4D coaster, X2, was an absolute behemoth of a coaster. Costing millions of dollars, X2 (or X, as it was then known) was on a completely different scale entirely to the Free Spins; a 215ft tall behemoth of a ride, with stats befitting of your average hyper coaster, huge winged trains, and completely controlled spinning as opposed to the free spinning controlled with fins that is popular today. The ride was so complex, in fact, that it actually bankrupted Arrow!


After X2 opened, Arrow’s assets were of course purchased by S&S, who went on to create two siblings for X2 in the form of Eejanaika and Dinoconda, which opened in 2006 and 2012, respectively. After that, though, the market for large-scale 4D coasters seemingly dried up, and the release of S&S’ Free Spin model in 2015 seemingly killed off demand for them altogether; it’s been 9 years since Dinoconda opened, and we’re yet to see another large-scale 4D built or even announced. So my question to you today is; do you think we will ever see another large-scale 4D coaster built? Will X2, Eejanaika and Dinoconda eventually gain additional siblings?


Personally, my take is; never say never. While there might not be much demand now, S&S may eventually go on to build more. They’ve done a lot of work with 4D coasters since the construction of Dinoconda, so maybe they might have some new tricks up their sleeves to utilise with a large-scale 4D coaster so that they can refine the ride type further? Alternatively, we might see another manufacturer take a stab at a large-scale 4D coaster. For instance, I know it was rumoured for years that B&M wanted to build upon their Wing Coaster model and take a stab at a full-size 4D coaster, so maybe that rumour might finally come to fruition?


My point is; I reckon another one being built eventually is by no means out of the question, personally.


But what are your thoughts?
 
Of course you know I can't resist a @Matt N thread.
Well it's a tricky one. I think there's a good chance S&S will re-launch the product as something more similar to a free spin but can go round corners effectively making it like X2 for example.

I don't think we'll see anymore that are the same as X2 (and the others( as I just don't think any park would want to spend that sort of money to then have that high maintenance costs. The only park I could have seen doing that was Cedar Point however I think if they were going to do it they would have already built one. I think all the other parks that would have built one have done so.

If S&S did relaunch the product as a new generation version, making sure the maintenance costs were lower and the initial price was as well, I think a decent amount of parks would be interested. Examples of parks I think might be interested in such a model are (This is just speculation of parks I think could suite a new model combining the free spin and the full 4D if such a model was to be launched):
  • Cedar Point - yes I know I said earlier that they would have built one already however a newer version that could hold new records would most likely be on there radar. Also they now work with S&S after the free spin at Kings. Dominion.
  • Port Adventura - we haven't got anything in europe like it and they tend to do one of deals for there rides. I think it could work quite well and I imagine the owners have the money. Whether they would be willing to spend it is another thing.
  • Kings Dominions - two ride deal with S&S is certainly possible. It would be a worthy replacement for Volcano and could be S&S launch model.
  • Carowinds - Cedar Fair spends lots of money here and it would be something completely different to what they have at the moment.
  • Wallibi parks - They are building these up at the moment and it would be a unique ride type to add to there expanding portfolio. Wallibi seem to like to experiment and some a little of that can't hurt.
  • Parks in China - no real explanation here as I know very little about parks in China however I'm sure at least one park there would buy one as they buy all the models.
I don't think Six Flags would buy any as they already have free spins in almost every park. As for Merlin I can't really see them taking the risk with a ride like this as much as it would be great to have one at Alton Towers.

So I suppose we'll have to wait and see if S&S does decide to re-launch the product and if they do I really do think it could be success for them.
 
If Golden Horse come up with one then it's possible (Although the thought of that does terrify me for many reasons).

Other than that, it seems incredibly unlikely that any park would really want the hassle and the expense when there are so many better ways to spend that sort of money.
 
I think there is definitely a market for a 4D coaster - just not in the form of X or the new version

Personally I see B&M one day mastering this ride with an evolution of the wing coaster
 
Personally I see B&M one day mastering this ride with an evolution of the wing coaster
A B&M version of 4D would be excellent and I would absolutely love it. I do think something like that could be the best coaster in the world. The thing is hasn't it been suggested for years and wasn't there heavy speculation when raptor opened that was 4D from B&M and it turned out to be a wing coaster. But looking on the bright side SW9 anyone?
 
A B&M version of 4D would be excellent and I would absolutely love it. I do think something like that could be the best coaster in the world. The thing is hasn't it been suggested for years and wasn't there heavy speculation when raptor opened that was 4D from B&M and it turned out to be a wing coaster. But looking on the bright side SW9 anyone?

I would imagine if they ever happens it’ll go to an American park first

That said B&M and Merlin have history when it comes to prototypes
 
If someone puts me in charge, yes we would.

Those free spin things are a bit of fun, but ultimately they are bobbins. It has to be the controlled spin X2 type. I cam only imagine a b&m take on it being a bit too restrained compared to what Arrow/S&S have done.
 
I wonder how big the S&S Axis is capable of being? I'd say that counts as a 4D coaster.
This is something I hadn't thought of, although not a traditional 4d coaster in the sense of this thread, I would expect that eventually they will be able to be of a significant size. Of course this is unlikely for the first one which will probably be fairly small. I do wonder when one eventually gets built where it will be. There is a chance on never gets built like some of S&S's other concepts.
 
This is something I hadn't thought of, although not a traditional 4d coaster in the sense of this thread, I would expect that eventually they will be able to be of a significant size. Of course this is unlikely for the first one which will probably be fairly small. I do wonder when one eventually gets built where it will be. There is a chance on never gets built like some of S&S's other concepts.
S&S have confirmed one for Europe in 2023. :)
 
Rollercoasters already have a lot of moving parts. The 4D coaster adds even more complications to this from initial expenditure, to maintenance costs, resource and downtime. I’m not convinced the GP view of them compared to say a Freespin is significantly different enough to warrant all the additional issues a 4D brings.

I’d file it next to Intamin Wing Coaster as probably not another.
 
No, he is being serious; it was confirmed at the European IAAPA Expo the other day!
Really. Wow, does anyone have a link/photo/video to see? How cool I thought the general consensus was it was going to be a Mack big dipper. Strange they're going with another outside manufacturers ride. Now I'm actually going to have to cave in a visit Europa in a few years. I've always looked down on the place as a Disney wanna be with nothing exceptional coaster wise (this is going to be a very unpopular opinion on here and I'm expected paragraphs about why I'm wrong).
 
Really. Wow, does anyone have a link/photo/video to see? How cool I thought the general consensus was it was going to be a Mack big dipper. Strange they're going with another outside manufacturers ride. Now I'm actually going to have to cave in a visit Europa in a few years. I've always looked down on the place as a Disney wanna be with nothing exceptional coaster wise (this is going to be a very unpopular opinion on here and I'm expected paragraphs about why I'm wrong).
He said Europe, not Europa; an easy mistake to make, in fairness!

Europa 2023 is nailed on to be a Mack BigDipper, from what I can tell.
 
Hahaha. Sorry read that one wrong. I wonder which park? Do you think we should have a thread for this?
CoasterForce has a thread, so I don’t see why not!

In terms of a park, I’ve heard Walibi Holland being thrown around a lot…
 
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As the king of threads @Matt N I'm sure you can make one. SW9 anyone?
I’ll go and make one now; sorry it’s so late, I’ve been a bit busy!

In terms of whether it could be SW9; it certainly seems plausible, although 2023 might be a touch soon dependant on how late Alton felt like leaving the planning application!
 
I’m not convinced the GP view of them compared to say a Freespin is significantly different enough to warrant all the additional issues a 4D brings.

There may be some truth in that, although I'm not sure the UK GP have any particular familiarity with either ride type for the expectation and marketability of former to be devalued by their opinion of the latter. In experience though they are such a chasm apart, and in the world of social media and Internet comment by riders surely that's what really matters for driving success over day one marketing these days?

I'll remain hopeful!
 
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