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Holocaust memorial day 27th Jan

Jem8472

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I thought I would put this post up because its Holocaust memorial day today.

This is taken from a post I made on TTF about my visit to Krakow with Carla back in may 2012

It is part of our trip where we visited Auschwitz and Birkenau.


So Monday the 7th May we got up early and went on a trip to Auschwitz. We were picked up by a guy called Phill from krakow tours. He then picked up some other people from different hotels and headed to Auschwitz.

It took a little over an hour to get there as there was lots of traffic and it was raining.
During our visit we did not get any rain but it was a very grey day.

We got there just before 10am so we did not have to go around as part of a tour group. Phil showed us inside and gave us all a map and explained some of the things and some of the good national exhibits to see.
Then we were just told to meet back at the minivan at 12:30.

I will post some photos, there is nothing nasty or graphic but you can call some of the pictures disturbing.

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This photo is of a wall with all the names of people deported from the Netherlands to Auschwitz or Birkenau. There are also a couple of boards behind me, but there are I think 600,000 names on those boards. That is small print. at Auschwitz and Birkenau 1.5million people were murdered. That would be a truly massive wall for 1.5 million people!

These photos are from the Birenau camp. 458 acres in total.


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This reads:
"To the memory
of the men,women and children
who fell victim to the Nazi genocide.
Here lie their ashes.
May their souls rest in peace.

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One of the Crematoria that was blown up by the SS.

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There are stones places all over Birkenau which are placed there rather than flowers as they will last for the rest of time whereas flowers don't.

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One of the railway cars that was restored by Frank Lowy.
This bit taken from Wikipedia:
"In an Australian television production broadcast in 2010, called Family Confidential, it was revealed that Lowy had kept a secret about his survival in Nazi–occupied Hungary. As a 13–year–old Jewish boy, Lowy had never known about the loss of his father, Hugo Lowy, who was beaten to death at Auschwitz concentration camp while protecting Hugo's younger acquaintance, Myer Lowy.[9] As a mark of respect to Hugo Lowy and other Hungarian Jews, Lowy commissioned the restoration of a railway wagon that had transported Hungarian Jews to Auschwitz, and placed the wagon on site at the former concentration camp"
You most probably have been in one of Frank Lawys shopping malls. Called Westfield.

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I would urge people to visit Auschwitz. Its not exactly a nice place to visit and there is lots of uncomfortable things to look at but it does have an affect on you.

It is good to see and I am glad that they send children from UK schools to see it and learn about what went on.
 
Great pictures, Jem, thanks for sharing.

We watched Schindler's List again yesterday, and a few tears were shed. I can never get over the 'Liquidation' of the Ghetto scene.
 
Great post Jem.

Brings home a sobering reality, I can think of many political etc things to say in regards to freedom that was fought for etc, however I think today is one purely to pay respect.
 
Would like to thank you for this topic. Hopeing to visit auschwitz this year
 
Well if you want any help with plans let me know.

Also I would recommend spending some time in Krakow. Its a beautiful and amazing city which helps balance out a visit to Auschwitz.
 
The Holocaust is an issue that chills me to my core. Holocaust literature and media has had a profound effect on me and this idea of such inhumanity has, I would say, to some extent, disturbed me. The methodic killings are sickening indeed but the issues that tend to haunt me are those tales of torture and humiliating sadism, where the pain of people becomes even entertaining. Hopefully the world has moved on and such horrors will never occur again. This doesn't mean that the importance of the memorial day fades though so I pay my respects here and thank the creator of the thread.
 
Jem8472 said:
Well if you want any help with plans let me know.

Also I would recommend spending some time in Krakow. Its a beautiful and amazing city which helps balance out a visit to Auschwitz.
Ah brilliant thank you, there are a few places around that area that I want to visit
 
I really would like to go there just to experience what the place was like. Some of my family have been there and they have said it does effect you in many ways.
 
Thank you for this post, I visited Sachsenhausen concentration camp near Berlin after studying History at A level and I can honestly say I've never had a more haunting experience in my life, it's so important that we remember events like this both out of respect for the people who lost their lives and also to remind us why we should never allow such things to happen again.

Also, anyone who is interested in this should really visit. Just in Berlin we visited so many fascinating places like the Wannsee conference center, the Jewish museum, the Berlin wall, it is well worth a trip.
 
I would urge anyone to go and visit. A trip to Krakow is not that expensive. Its easy to get from Krakow to Auschwitz.

There are plenty of tour companys that do trips the camp or you can get a bus or train which is a lot cheaper.

I was not sure if I should take my camera into the camp but I was glad that I did as the guy that took us to the camp told us that taking photos and showing them is what they want. There are some places that they request you don't photograph. The death wall where they shot a lot of prisoners. The collection of human hair is another place they don't want photographs taken.

I really felt more moved by the visit to Birkenau. Its massive compared to Auschwitz. There is not very much around the camp. There are still some living quarters standing and some of the wash room standing. The gas chambers and crematoriums were destroyed by the ss.

Our guide took us around the camp as there is no information and when you hear about how it was all carried out it does make you feel ill.

Sorry for any mistakes I am on my phone.
 
I haven't ever visited Auschwitz but I did visit the Sachsenhausen concentration camp a few years ago. It was a truly chilling and haunting experience, but one that is definitely worth doing, if only to put in perspective the horrors that were being committed.

To know you have stood metres away from where someone has been killed, or to stand on the same spot as one of the 'doctors' in the mortuary is a seriously grounding and chilling moment.
 
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I have always wanted to visit Auschwitz. While 'want' maybe a wrong word to use its an experience in life I would like to witness.

Its a strange, alien concept to think of the holocaust, while some may want to sweep such horrors under the rug, its important to know that they existed and are/were quite real.
 
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Auschwitz is on my visit list, along with Chernobyl, The Somme, Berlin, Bergen Belsen, Terezin and Riga

There really is that many mistakes in my posts?! Damn this Tapatalk milarky! :)
 
Jem8472 said:
Well if you want any help with plans let me know.

Also I would recommend spending some time in Krakow. Its a beautiful and amazing city which helps balance out a visit to Auschwitz.

I have PM'd you regarding this, I hope you don't mind!

The holocaust is an incredibly chilling period of history which highlighted the depths man could sink to in it's quest to achieve dominance. I've read Laurence Rees' "Auschwitz: The Nazis and the Final Solution" several times and each time is just as chilling as the last. The scariest part is how methodical the Nazi's went about it, as if it was just something that had to be done. A terrible time for humanity.
 
Here is a post I sent to Liam about Krakow, it might be helpful is anyone else if planning a trip to visit Auschwitz.


Really the easiest place to stay is in Krakow as its a big city, got an airport nearby and there is also lots to do there.

Last time we visited we flew with easy jet from Gatwick. As with any location there are plenty of choices for flights. The airport you want to go to is: John Paul II International Airport Kraków-Balice. Its about 11km away from Krakow. There are buses or a train that can take you strait to the center(ish) we used the train. About 100 yard walk outside of the terminal and about a 40min wait but only cost a few pounds.

Watch out because Ryan air do flights to an airport near Krakow and its called: Katowice International Airport and its 30km away.

Where to stay.
Well we stayed at a lovely B&B called Tango house. It was right by the main square about 30 seconds walk away!
Lovely old Polish building. The rooms were lovely and clean. The bathrooms were very modern and again spotlessly clean.
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http://www.tangohouse.pl/?lang=en

But there are loads of places you can look at staying depending on your budget. A friend of mine stayed at a hostel which was very cheap and he said it was good enough for somewhere just to get your head down.

I would recommend staying as close to the main square as possible because its a lovely place to be. We nearly stayed a lot further out of the centre because of price and I am glad we did not! Being in the square in the evening is lovely (well we had great weather) but there is always something going on!


Getting to Auschwitz is relatively easy.
There are a number of options. Bus, train or organised tour.

We went with the organised tour option as its a lot quicker in time to get to and from the camp.
Also with the tour we went on he got us to the camp before 10am (depending what time of the year you go if you arrive after 10am you have to go as part of a tour with a guide and they do tend to move a bit fast. Its better to be able to take it at your own pace)

We were dropped of just before 10. Our guide explained a few things about the camp and gave us a little map and told us to be back by 12:30

When we got back to the van we had some lunch (which was extra) and he took us over to Birkenau. This was good as he explained what was there as there is no displays explaining anything and Birkenau is a BIG site. So he showed us the main bits that are still standing and what life was like in the camp.

Then he took us back to Krakow and dropped us off near the centre. The centre is closed to cars after about 9am.

Really thats it for actual Auschwitz. Its really simple. The tour costs about £20-£30 per person. TBH its worth that as its easy and I am glad I did not have to worry about using public transport on a day like that.


This is who we used for our visit to Auschwitz.
http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attraction_Review-g274772-d1872627-Reviews-Krakow_Tours-Krakow_Lesser_Poland_Province_Southern_Poland.html

http://www.krakowtours.co.uk/


This is a great forum to help with planning

http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowForum-g274772-i961-Krakow_Lesser_Poland_Province_Southern_Poland.html



I would really recommend a visit to the Salt mines. An amazing place! Lots of walking but its stunning. Really easy to get there on a bus.

Bus and tram tickets can be bought from automatic ticket machines. They are really handy as there is a button for English and they do take notes and tend to have change.
Krakow has an integrated transport system. So you can buy a 24 hour ticket and just get on and off buses or trams as you want. Its also dirt cheap!
Just when you first get on with your ticket make sure the first thing you do is validate the ticket! Don't sit down or anything get it in the machine so its valid.
If its a 24 hour or longer ticket you just have to do it the once.


There are some guys that do a free walking tour starting every day in the main square by the church. A great way to get to know the city and you just have to give a tip at the end.

In Poland they don't use the Euro its still Zloty.
We budgeted about £50 a day about 240zl
This was enough for food and drink and buying some stuff. We only we over budget when we just ate loads :p

One thing about Poland, no one seems to have or like giving out change. I am not sure what it is but expect to find it hard to pay for something small with a note bigger than about 10zl.

Carla bought a magazine and it cost about 43zl she gave the guy a 50 and he asked is she had anything smaller...... But he gave her the change when she said no. But still.. odd.....


Hope that is of some help. Let me know if I missed anything you wanted.

Just found this website from a link on a trip advisor post.

http://krakow.jakdojade.pl/?locale=en

It shows public transport. You can put route numbers in or you can click start and finish points and it will tell you which tram or bus to take

Jeremy
 
I have removed a post relating to the Israel/ Palestinian debate, this is not to say that the points raised are not genuine nor that they are unworthy of debate on here, but the spirit of this topic is about visiting the concentration camps and the horrors of the 1930/40's holocaust.

If anyone wishes to debate the isreal/ Palestine situation (and any issues surrounding its links to the Memorial Day) then I would recommend creating a separate topic. The deleted post was not really suitable in splitting off and starting a debate as it was mostly image based.
 
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