The Brexit Thread

Discussion in 'Corner Coffee' started by Matt N, 27th Mar 2019.

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  1. Thameslink Rail

    Thameslink Rail TowersStreet Member

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    I mean, good luck running an Alton Towers fan group from overseas and having to fly back in for every meet!
     
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    Wouldn't mind leaving at some stage. I speak fluent French and decent German. Sadly, the 90 day rule now we're out and Brexit itself actually makes the very idea of leaving rather more difficult. One can't just up sticks, move to Europe, find a job and crack on. You could before.

    I mean, the British Passport is less powerful now than it was before Brexit. That's one of the benefits, though - right?

    I still struggle with Brexit every day.
     
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    Fair , honest comment from family experience.
    Brother hopped off to Africa because he had enough of Britain, sister is having a great time in Canada.
    I'm well aware I'm on a hiding to nothing, but it is a joy to be able to speak my mind on a long running topic.
     
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    I'll admit I find it quite ironic how my most popular topic on a theme park forum is one I posted that wasn't about theme parks... in many ways, I can't believe that Brexit is still generating such heated discussion nearly 2 years after we left the EU!

    I wonder when we'll stop talking about Brexit, and the things it bought with it will just become a part of everyday life?
     
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    When there is something bigger than Brexit, through lockdown we stopped talking about Brexit then it happened and now Covid isn't the centre of our lives anymore we are talking about Brexit again. So either Brexit will become less significant or something else will become more significant, not sure which yet.
     
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    Some people think Brexit is an event, and even the government would like to say it's all done and we can move on now... but it's not. It's a continuous process. It's pervasive and will impact on our lives for a long time. I don't see this thread going anywhere.
     
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    You mean like Europa Street on here?
     
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    I find it curious that the go to debating point of those who supported Brexit is that "things are just as bad everywhere else" yet the natural defence would be "we've used all our new found control to make things better than they could have been here because of Brexit".

    The government tried that with vaccine procurement, were found to be incorrect, admitted as such and then went back to three word catchphrases as stock responses to fair and reasonable questions.
     
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    The problem is membership to the EU brought so many intangible benefits (and economic benefits that are difficult to disentangle from the mass) that our country is inevitably going to be a lot poorer as a result of leaving for many years to come. It is also not, as some may believe, "a short term pain" thing either - every day our economy is far worse off than it was prior to leaving, and there is no real fix to it, despite what some people including our own Prime Minister may say.

    The big issue I have with people saying "I knew before I voted things would get worse before they got better" is that while that may be okay for someone with a half decent job to have a bit less disposable income for a bit, for those at the very bottom it is the tipping point between having somewhere to live and not, or having food for dinner and not. And it is all so pointless, because all Brexit gives us is a perceived "freedom" or "gaining sovereignty" or whatever else they call it which we had all along anyway, so many people bought into the BS spouted by Nigel Farage and co - being a member of the EU gave us so many benefits and unfortunately, even if after 10 years we realise it was a mistake to leave, if we re-join it will be on far worse terms than those we used to enjoy.
     
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    I just can't believe how 5 years on it's still such a binary subject. I hate the EU and the alternative. Thing is, I have little faith in the UK. It's a country that has been grappling with decline ever since the 1940's, some would say it goes back to the beginning of the last century.

    Some great things have come out of the UK in that time. If I was being patriotic, I'd say the welfare state, the NHS, freedom of speech, liberating Europe from the Nazi's, Concorde, the HST, workers rights, safer roads than the rest of the world.

    But when I think of the UK I can't get rid of this vision of this has been state nipping at the ankles of the bigger boys that everyone laughs at. The dilution of the welfare state, the abuse of the NHS, rediculous foreign wars against easy targets to pretend we're still tough, British Leyland, a railway network that's an ancient embarrassment compared to other developed countries, a too tertiary heavy economy and infrastructure plastered with paper to cover the cracks.

    Since when has slagging off the trajectory of the UK become taboo? We used to do it all the time and it was great. If I had some level of education and didn't have my kids, I wouldn't live here, it seems like many foreign nationals who have deserted us haven't chosen to either. "Please come back and drive our lorries, look after us when we're unwell and harvest our food". The EU referendum seemed like choosing between a rock and a hard place.

    I would happily have voted for Brexit had there been a ballsy PM ready to jump into the hot seat with a maverick master plan to move into the future. Instead we had Borris Johnson and a nobody called Nigel Farage armed with a bus and a poster bashing immigrants, telling lies about EU funding and banging on about blue passports, red telephone boxes and bendy bananas - VS - Posh boys Cameron and Osborne armed with threats to step up their ongoing campaign of ruining the country further should they not get the result they wanted so that they could keep their gentlemans club in check - and Grandpa Corbyn pretending to back the EU for the first time in his entire career so he could shore up his youth vote to help him and McDonnells campaign to take us back to the 1970's.

    What a choice! But no, it seems like the country would far sooner fight with eachother at the dinner table and down the pub rather than deal with the elephant in the room.
     

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