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[2024] Thorpe Park: Hyperia - Mack Hypercoaster
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sillyrooster
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I'd guess they'd try to do it tomorrow if the train was ready?
Tom
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If it’s stalled fully laden (albeit with dummies) then I suspect they aren’t in a rush to put it back any time soon. One train is possibly the least painful option they have.
All the arguments about running in etc have effectively died. It simply needs to enter the over bank more quickly. The stall/dive looks a big risk to me as well, as impressive as it looks and feels when you are on it.
Yes, they are great for hangtime, but there is good reason why most rides haven’t been historically designed like this. Seems like some element of redesign and significant spend will be needed to take away this risk.
All the arguments about running in etc have effectively died. It simply needs to enter the over bank more quickly. The stall/dive looks a big risk to me as well, as impressive as it looks and feels when you are on it.
Yes, they are great for hangtime, but there is good reason why most rides haven’t been historically designed like this. Seems like some element of redesign and significant spend will be needed to take away this risk.
flyingguitar
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not really, according to Ryan the ride mechanic he thinks that not much big modifications will happen, and describes now as growing pains, every time it stalls they note it down, make a slight change (use harder wheel compounds, less wheel grease etc) and continue.
From: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN7ccQtTJmU
on the point of spare trains appart from large number of train coasters (wild mice type) it is only really common with year round parks, as they have to keep one train out constantly rebuilding it for its yearly checks,
Tom
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Not convinced you can eek out enough improvement from such minor changes. It should not be a dark cloud of uncertainty every time the temperature drops or the wind picks up a bit. A reminder that a train should be able to go round comfortably without dummies, in all reasonably expected weather conditions.
Bowser
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I believe it was only half loaded with dummies but your point remains.
This is their busiest period of the year though so you'd think that would be a major factor to consider if they're facing 3 hour queues every day.
Does seem like if there's no change this week then it will likely be 1 train for the remainder of the season.
flyingguitar
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you would be surprised, the wheel compound can do a lot alone, to simplify a good example is like having low pressure in your tires vs extreme pressure in your car tires, the low pressure will deform more, this results in a smoother ride, etc but that deformation generates heat and will reduce the kinematic energy of the vehicle more than if it didn't deform, the grease will also have an effect reducing it can reduce the rolling resistance of the bearing, there are more things like wheel pre-load that may be adjusted which can reduce the friction, but would come with other conciquences.
Poisson
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Or a hammer. If in doubt, bigger hammer.
Secret Weapon
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I wonder if Mack anticipated that rollbacks were a potential problem with a floaty ride such as Hyperia, and so deliberately designed the trains in such a way that they could be modified to go faster if required? (e.g. by initially using the combination of grease and compound that would give the slowest possible ride at first)
Jb85
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So deliberately expected a product fail? No chance. I see your thought path though, work in a bit of leeway and all that
Dave
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All rollercoasters can be adjusted like this.
Part of the reason Smiler is so variable is it runs on hard compounds due to its stall risk. Hard compounds are generally rougher and they degrade quicker so you have to replace them regular to avoid a rough ride.
Now I thought hard compounds run for longer because they are more solid, less give means more speed, but less grip (which doesn't matter with coasters because of the guide wheels.
My old hard urethane board wheels (kryptonics) used to last far longer than soft ones...soft means grip and wear usually, same as car tyres...cheap ones often last longer but grip less...the cheap tyre pay off.
I would argue that this ride is flawed because of the massive contrasts between fast speeds and near stalls, twice.
The problems on warming up are obvious...anyone know a coaster that takes longer to warm up...two whole hours to get the thing open is too long.
My old hard urethane board wheels (kryptonics) used to last far longer than soft ones...soft means grip and wear usually, same as car tyres...cheap ones often last longer but grip less...the cheap tyre pay off.
I would argue that this ride is flawed because of the massive contrasts between fast speeds and near stalls, twice.
The problems on warming up are obvious...anyone know a coaster that takes longer to warm up...two whole hours to get the thing open is too long.
NuttySquirrel
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That doesn't make a lot of sense to me, why would they not be trying to get back to two-train ops ahead of Fright Nights?
Surely it makes sense to continue operating with one train until the second one is ready to be put back into action?
owenstreet7
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I would say that it's essential to put it at two trains as soon as it's practically possible as it being Fright Nights, I'd imagine 5 hour queues during October Half Term if it remains on one train ops.
I'd imagine we'd see it on two trains before Friday but if it's a bigger issue, it could easily operate on one train until end of the season.
I'm surprised that it is still selling fast tracks and remaining open until 9pm in it's current state.
Secret Weapon
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Is there a reason why Thorpe Park wait until almost 10 a.m. before warming up the ride, instead of starting an hour or two earlier than the other rides? (given all of the problems that it's having)
Is it simply due to staffing, or are there issues with noise etc from local residents?
Or is it the case that warming up during colder morning weather would be ineffective anyway?
Call_um
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I imagine it'll be back on 2 within the next couple days.
Remember its been running till at least 10:30pm Thursday - Sunday so they probably haven't had time to cycle to rebuilt train. Not sure how it works but I imagine they'll need to do a considerable amount of testing with it being rebuilt?
Remember its been running till at least 10:30pm Thursday - Sunday so they probably haven't had time to cycle to rebuilt train. Not sure how it works but I imagine they'll need to do a considerable amount of testing with it being rebuilt?