flyingguitar
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I wasn't saying it wasn't possible, just that it would be very difficult (and costly) for them to go back and redo that section of track, so they may do it but only if there aren't any other options.
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[2024] Thorpe Park: Hyperia - Mack Hypercoaster
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LordOfDarkness
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I mean a simple solution is maybe stop running it without water dummies when testing in windy conditions?
Skyscraper
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Crane is on site already, they might as well install a permanent one at this rate.
Here I am!! Whenever you design "near stalls" ultimately you will get a stall. Stealth, for example. Calculating the velocity of a coaster and then utilising a small LSM to "get it over the hump". Not talking launch kind, just a bump.
Very simple technology.
Benzin
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But aside from that what have the engineers ever done for us?
Where you see problems, I see stalls. Should have been done in the design - "ooh, let's make a coaster that almost stalls...." I hate to look to musk, but he has done on 10 years what NASA/Boeing couldn't do in 25. Meanwhile Airbus created the A380....
Poisson
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Where you see problems, I see stalls. Should have been done in the design - "ooh, let's make a coaster that almost stalls...." I hate to look to musk, but he has done on 10 years what NASA/Boeing couldn't do in 25. Meanwhile Airbus created the A380....
Yet the problem is here, past the original design process so would need process to make sure your small launch could happen. You can't just ignore safety and/or physics because it's inconvenient.
You're also confusing scope with ability in your analogy.
flyingguitar
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I hate to distract a bit but everything he has done has been done before, self landing rocket boosters McDonnell Douglas did that in the 90's.
Nasa is slow due to poor funding and their extremely good saftey rating, if Nasa lost rockets at the rate of space X they would be shut down.
there is a quote from a us general about the development of one of their fighter jets, and it comes across very well the complaint was that they cost a large amount and time for developing their new fighter, which unlike the previous fighter had very low deaths during development and it went like this:
if I can spend $xm more and take an extra couple years to prevent having to tell their family about their loss then I will do it.
but elon seems to be playing kerbal space program.
Leigh
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Because a company that operates the way they do is one to be looked up to.Where you see problems, I see stalls. Should have been done in the design - "ooh, let's make a coaster that almost stalls...." I hate to look to musk, but he has done on 10 years what NASA/Boeing couldn't do in 25. Meanwhile Airbus created the A380....
You can’t just strap LSMs onto a coaster after the fact when it wasn’t designed to have them. It’s been explained ad nauseam as to why that is.
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Skyscraper
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If it's open by then it could be on one train, I'm pretty sure that was the case when it valleyed last year.
Leigh
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That’s been the case the last few times it’s valleyed. However, that’s not the only issue Hyperia has right now - it’s still getting stuck at the bottom of the lift on occasion amongst other things.
I wouldn’t be surprised if as a result of this latest occurrence the maximum permissible wind speed was reduced.
Call_um
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Yes, it it could open in the next couple of days on 1 train and once the 2nd train is built again back on 2.
This all depends where the park want to go from here though. They might decide to close it for a while to address some of the issues its having, but I doubt they'll want it closed over the peak Easter period.
Correct. New wheels on it this year.
pluk
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Looks like an opportunity is coming to see for ourselves why Hyperia does and doesnt work. Just watching the first in Hannah Fry's new series The Secret Genius of Modern Life, about the design and build of various things (air fryers tonight, exciting stuff!), and it seems like an upcoming episode might be covering Hyperia. There were loads of clips of it in the opening montage to the series. Most of her stuff is pretty in depth so could be interesting.
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the upcoming episodes does indeed include one titled 'rollercoaster'
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the upcoming episodes does indeed include one titled 'rollercoaster'
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AltonLover123
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It was after a wind alarm so I assume they sent the empty one to make the station clear for the train of guests on the brake run.
They could do what smiler does and not send empties during high winds at all but that requires an evac for any trains not in the station if the wind alarms don’t stop.
addy2503
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Could they send the train but stop it at the bottom of the lift? Or would that require an engineer? (Or tactical usage of an E-Stop button...)
John
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I've never seen Hyperia's op panel but there is usually a lift stop button separate from the estop that could have been used in this situation but I imagine they don't want to leave the train on the lift indefinitely.
It's a tricky one as generally you don't want to perform an evac if you don't absolutely have to. Some parks would just get the battery packs out straight away and tell you to hold the handrail when walking back to the station, Merlin would probably deem that too risky. A full evac is a slow process but equally it doesn't make sense to leave a train of guests on the brake run whilst the staff mess about with loading the other train up with water dummies. No doubt Thorpe are going to be rethinking the procedures for this sort of thing though.
It's a tricky one as generally you don't want to perform an evac if you don't absolutely have to. Some parks would just get the battery packs out straight away and tell you to hold the handrail when walking back to the station, Merlin would probably deem that too risky. A full evac is a slow process but equally it doesn't make sense to leave a train of guests on the brake run whilst the staff mess about with loading the other train up with water dummies. No doubt Thorpe are going to be rethinking the procedures for this sort of thing though.
Secret Weapon
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Is it possible for the trains on Hyperia to then be sent backwards from the bottom of the lift hill back towards the station?
I might be wrong, but I think that The Smiler is able to be sent backwards at certain points in case of an emergency?
flyingguitar
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Not from where hyperia's hill is, that first turn will be down hill, so it can't be pushed back up.
The smiler the only places I can think of it being able to move backwards is the station blocks and on the lift its self down into the lift brakes, the lift is done so it can be lowered from the vertical lift to allow for Evacs easier but this depends on how the ride is programed.