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The Great Transport Improvement Thread

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spinba11

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I’ve found something more annoying as disrespectful than people parking on pavement. People parking in front of bus stops.

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Only topped by the scum bin wagon drivers who park on the zig zag markings on the crossing outside the local mini Tesco...which has its own car park...to buy their fags.
 
spinba11 said:
I’ve found something more annoying as disrespectful than people parking on pavement. People parking in front of bus stops.
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Pavement parking is not only very disrespectful, but a big inconvenience to wheelchair users, blind people as well as pram users, especially if they don't leave enough space on the pavement for a wheelchair to pass.

The over thing that Jess and I come across a lot is people parking across drop kerbs which are designed for wheelchair and pram user to get up and down kerbs. This prevents us from getting on and off pavements.
 
Slugjc said:
What bugs me is we arr designing housing estates with horrific parking.

More cars per household than ever. Lets build a 4 bedroom house with one parking slot.
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That's because there's such thing as public transport which outside of pandemic should be encouraged.

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Slugjc said:
What bugs me is we arr designing housing estates with horrific parking.

More cars per household than ever. Lets build a 4 bedroom house with one parking slot.
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Ugh, this was a nightmare for us when my parents were house-hunting last year. We each have a car, so there needed to be space for three cars - two on the drive side-by-side and one on the road would be fine. So many new-build properties we looked at only had enough space for one car at best, with a second at a push. The roads were so narrow that it wouldn't have been feasible to park a third car outside, so no matter what the house was like, we had to discount it.
 
imanautie said:
That's a different issue

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Exactly, new housing should be built with good public transport links. Ideally near a railway station. It's about time we stopped building detached car-orientated developments and focused on density and good transit connections.

A car for every person in a household is just not sustainable.
 
speedy said:
Exactly, new housing should be built with good public transport links. Ideally near a railway station. It's about time we stopped building detached car-orientated developments and focused on density and good transit connections.

A car for every person in a household is just not sustainable.
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Like the metroland idea for london suburbs.

And to push the tread back to the subject.

Cars in bus stop layby. And the drivers arguing they can park there as that minibus is at the back of the layby.
Umm, yes it is allowed. The clue is in the name miniBUS.

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imanautie said:
That's because there's such thing as public transport which outside of pandemic should be encouraged.

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Thats a nice idea. People will still need cars. For example. My work is 40 miles. No train station near me or my place of work. It would take me 5 buses to get there. Leeds city centre is an hour away by bus. The nearest station, is over 30 mins away by bus.

The issue is not "better transport links" its getting these greedy estate builders to design estate where 2 3 cars can be parked. Instead of one. Better way of getting cars off the roads, so pedestrians can actually walk around.
 
Slugjc said:
Thats a nice idea. People will still need cars. For example. My work is 40 miles. No train station near me or my place of work. It would take me 5 buses to get there. Leeds city centre is an hour away by bus. The nearest station, is over 30 mins away by bus.

The issue is not "better transport links" its getting these greedy estate builders to design estate where 2 3 cars can be parked. Instead of one. Better way of getting cars off the roads, so pedestrians can actually walk around.
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No, don't park your car on the pavement and pedestrians can get around just fine. You said the issue is not transport links, but your first paragraph clearly demonstrates that it is. Some people will still need cars, yes, but everyone driving to work and owning multiple cars just isn't sustainable. Cars don't just need to be "off the road" we all collectively need to drive less. I can't drive, so I'll be making sure I live somewhere accesible by public transport and will only be able to take up jobs which again are accessible by public transport. If I can manage it, surely most other people can too?

We need better public transport. We do not need to make owning a car easier.
 
rob666 said:
We need smaller, cheaper one and two seater electric cars, more dropped kerbs, and plastic gridded lawns to park on in front of new property.
Bring back the sinclair c5.
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I presume you're joking, but electric bikes/scooters/mopeds could actually work for many people! We just need better cycle infrastructure and fewer cars on the road so people feel safer. Chicken and egg.
 
speedy said:
We need better public transport. We do not need to make owning a car easier.
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At the risk of covering from old ground, I still don't know what this means in real terms. When I have lived in countries or cities where public transport was a viable alternative to using a car, I did that - going as far as not having a car for periods up to 18 months. I'm sold.

But ... In vast areas of the UK, including where I live, we are so far away from that I don't think you can readdress the balance - decades of infrastructure spending has meant roads have won, like VHS over Betamax.
 
Rick said:
At the risk of covering from old ground, I still don't know what this means in real terms. When I have lived in countries or cities where public transport was a viable alternative to using a car, I did that - going as far as not having a car for periods up to 18 months.
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A truly integrated payments system for public transport such as the tfl oyster/contactless platform would help a lot!
(Although that's not entirely integrated)

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imanautie said:
A truly integrated payments system for public transport such as the tfl oyster/contactless platform would help a lot!
(Although that's not entirely integrated)
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It would help in some circumstances but not all. There are a number of logistical problems with doing that. As you will know, you can buy the technology off the shelf to do that - but that's the easy bit.

Integrated payments or not, the problems are more fundamental. If I can do a journey in my car in 45 mins, with the same taking 3 hours by public transport, being able to buy a single ticket instead of two isn't enough to make me change my mind.

I am not even sure that a free ticket would be in that case.
 
Rick said:
It would help in some circumstances but not all. There are a number of logistical problems with doing that. As you will know, you can buy the technology off the shelf to do that - but that's the easy bit.

Integrated payments or not, the problems are more fundamental. If I can do a journey in my car in 45 mins, with the same taking 3 hours by public transport, being able to buy a single ticket instead of two isn't enough to make me change my mind.

I am not even sure that a free ticket would be in that case.
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The way I see it is integrating ticketing leads to integrating routes which would lower journey times.

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