Phantasialand: General Discussion

[Skyscraper]

On reflection what he says, Taron is still better but he loves Rookburgh more than Klugheim! It's interesting to see how it falls into the flying position without holding you on the brake run for 3 minutes!

Yeah that's one if the things I'm most intrigued about, as I do not like being sat on Galactica's brake run in that position for 10 mins

 

[Benjsh]

Looks an amazing new area due to the theme and near misses but just can't get over how tame the actual coaster looks.

He says Taron is still a 'long way' ahead for him at the park. That's quite damming for a project 4 years in the making which has cost so much.

Still think it will prove popular though.

 

[Burbs]

Here's a sneaky look at the unique loading procedure. Photo from TPWW Facebook.

Spoiler

 

[Tim]

Vekoma's new sit to fly loading is undoubtably a better way to do it for the guest experience and ride operation. Besides the advantage that guests can sit upright on the break run it also replaces the need for a second station.
But the most interesting advantage is It opens up a lot of possibilities for a dark ride section. The way the cars face has far more in common with an omnivore than any other ride. Just imagine a train pulling into a show scene with all guests getting a perfect view.

I'd be interesting to know how the ride system compares from a cost and maintenance perspective. Assuming it uses onboard motors I wonder what their expected running life would be and what prevents them operating mid-ride? Are the trains also limited to 2 seats per row to counteract the weight of the motors?

It really is a fascinating ride system.

 

[Skyscraper]

Another thing to note is that it has a separate load and unload platform. I assume F.L.Y has stationary loading but the loading position would probably support a conveyor-loading (trains don't stop) setup. Would be similar to Forbidden Journey at Universal.

 

[Tim]

I like the idea that the train arrives at offload and the exit can be right in front of you. I dont know how it looks on FLY but it does open up the possibility of a post show that blends with the ride ending.

 

[IDB]

I'd be interesting to know how the ride system compares from a cost and maintenance perspective. Assuming it uses onboard motors I wonder what their expected running life would be and what prevents them operating mid-ride? Are the trains also limited to 2 seats per row to counteract the weight of the motors?

It really is a fascinating ride system.

Do the motors open up the idea of the Worlds first spinning flying coaster?!

 

[Skyscraper]

Do the motors open up the idea of the Worlds first spinning flying coaster?!

Technically F.L.Y is the Worlds first spinning flying coaster, because the cars spin. it's the track that tilts.

 

[Tim]

Arn't Vekoma designing a motorised spinning coaster for Disney? Wouldn't be at all surprised if this and Gaurdians were developed together.

 

[Benzin]

Why was anyone thinking that this would be as "intense" as Taron? (Not that I found Taron particularly intense on my rides on it. But those were 4 years ago)

Quite clearly designed to be an "experience" coaster. One could argue that 2 outright thrill coasters in Mamba and Taron is more than enough for a park this size.

 

[Pleasure Beach Valhalla]

Vekoma are back definitely either way and I guess they can only get better!

 

[Skyscraper]

Full queue walkthrough courtesy of TPWW;

Spoiler

 

[Benjsh]

It really does show what themeing and near misses add to a ride. If that coaster was just built over empty land with nothing around it would be incredibly dull.

With all that's going on it looks really good for a flyer even though I'm not a massive fan of them really.

Very good addition to the park.

 

[John_P]

Oh to be able to book a trip and visit immediately. Will have to re-visit next year and stop by Movie Park for their new coaster.

Now we can start the speculation on what they do next.

Guessing it'll either by the China/Geista ricksha area or the Hollywood Boat Tour/Crazy bats area.

Definitely think a new tricked out boat ride with modern animatics etc in the boat tour space would be good. Maybe a new coaster in the crazy bat's space. It's definitely the area of the park that's lacking compared to the more recent investments.

 

[CSLKenny]

Geister Rikscha replacement will almost certainly be the next major addition.

 

[Burbs]

It was announced today that IMAscore have indeed composed the soundtrack for Rookburgh, as expected! I thoroughly look forward to hearing it, as the two other Phantasialand scores are some of their finest work in my view.

 

[pluk]

Assuming it uses onboard motors I wonder what their expected running life would be and what prevents them operating mid-ride?

I've no idea, but it would seem unlikely the seats would be motorised? I'd imagine they go through a process of forced movement guided by a third rail before locking. Surely motors would be too unreliable?

 

[Tim]

I've no idea, but it would seem unlikely the seats would be motorised? I'd imagine they go through a process of forced movement guided by a third rail before locking. Surely motors would be too unreliable?

I'm sure the system Disney is installing is going to use motors for their rotating coaster. So it is possible, but I agree a forced motion system would probably be more affordable and reliable.

 

[Ian]

I would assume it’s no less reliable than something like Arthur or EuroMir at Europa which also use motors to revolve their seats? It’s not as though the seats are being constantly revolved or placed under too much load. Just a simple revolving of 90 degrees on their Y axis before the train banks onto its side I assume?

If anything, I would think that this mechanism would be under far less load than the system used my B&M to raise multiple rows with 4 people in each up into position?

 

[pluk]

I was thinking reliable more in the sense of hitting the same spot every time with 100% reliability. But then I guess with the seats only twisting in relation to the track, rather than rising and falling below it like B&M, doesn't carry the same risk if a seat is out of position. I imagine flying sideways would be odd, but not uncomfortable or dangerous.

I can't think in recent times of a major ride to have been opened for so long with so little being known about it, with no POVs and limited technical information it's clear their security measures to prevent loose items being taken on are working well.