UK Politics General Discussion

[GooseOnTheLoose]

He's just another posh public school boy in a red tie.

He went to a state school, a state grammar school to be precise. He did not go to a "posh public school".

I can't stand the current situation either, but if you're going to be critical about someone, or take a swipe at them, you ought to be factually correct.

 

[Benjsh]

He went to a state school, a state grammar school to be precise. He did not go to a "posh public school".

I can't stand the current situation either, but if you're going to be critical about someone, or take a swipe at them, you ought to be factually correct.

Take your point but grammar schools are still pretty posh mate. Hardly any left now really but they aren't exactly like the state school I went to. Hahaha

And he is posh. There's no doubt about that. Isn't he a millionaire too?

He's not for me anyway and I won't be voting labour again if he remains in charge. I actually don't know who I'd vote for tbh. Won't be tories or reform either.

 

[Hid]

No that's not right. Standing up for workers is what Labour USED to be about but those days are long gone I'm afraid. These muppets in charge (and i voted for them myself) have been nothing but a total shambles. Kier Starmer isn't a ardent labour man. He's just another posh public school boy in a red tie.

He's going to lose the next election to Nigel Farage most likely (shudder). That's how bad of a job he's doing.

So they have Workers Rights Bill, GB Energy and Housing, Best Start Centres all designed to help workers.

It's been bad but not all bad there have been lots of good stuff the media fail to mention. Examples of good things done by Labour increase minium wage, nationalising railways, decreasing the NHS waiting list. Saying its been a shambles is ignorant frankly.

Labour are still and always will be for Workers

I personally don't think Reform will win next election as the stuff Labour are doing will all be online. Plus Reform have a lot of headwinds coming for them to.

 

[Benjsh]

So they have Workers Rights Bill, GB Energy and Housing, Best Start Centres all designed to help workers.

It's been bad but not all bad there have been lots of good stuff the media fail to mention. Examples of good things done by Labour increase minium wage, nationalising railways, decreasing the NHS waiting list. Saying its been a shambles is ignorant frankly.

Labour are still and always will be for Workers

I personally don't think Reform will win next election as the stuff Labour are doing will all be online. Plus Reform have a lot of headwinds coming for them to.

If there was an election tomorrow.....Reform would win easy I reckon. That constitutes a pretty disastrous first 12 months for Starmer. A lot can happen between now and 2029 of course but the signs aren't good for him. Will he even survive 4 more years as leader? I'm not even sure he will.

I don't want Farage anywhere near number 10 but I have made peace with the fact it's probably going to happen now unless somebody courageous and charismatic appears out of the other main parties. Right now there's nobody to back. Corbyn won't win. He didn't against Boris or May and he won't this time. His policies will come from a good place but be absolutely disastrous economically.

 

[GooseOnTheLoose]

Take your point but grammar schools are still pretty posh mate. Hardly any left now really but they aren't exactly like the state school I went to. Hahaha

When Starmer went to school they were still very much part of the system. Gifted children / all children would take the 11+. If you passed it, you go to go to grammar school. If you didn't pass you went to a comprehensive.

The system has gradually fallen out of favour, though it still exists in a few local authorities. Gloucester being one of them.

And he is posh. There's no doubt about that. Isn't he a millionaire too?

He is a millionaire now, but that's not very difficult if you own any property in London now. He certainly wasn't born a millionaire, and neither of his parents had gone to university or were particularly well off. He is self made, in that respect, which is what we're all supposed to be arriving for, allegedly.

Jeremy Corbyn is a millionaire, based entirely on the fact that he owns his own home in North Islington. I doubt many would consider him to be particularly posh.

Angela Rayner is also worth a few million, allegedly. No one would call her particularly posh.

Sadly being a millionaire now is fairly middle class. We have an increasingly widening gap between the lowest paid workers and the extremely wealthy elite in this country, gradually mimicking our American cousins.

 

[Hid]

If there was an election tomorrow.....Reform would win easy I reckon. That constitutes a pretty disastrous first 12 months for Starmer. A lot can happen between now and 2029 of course but the signs aren't good for him. Will he even survive 4 more years as leader? I'm not even sure he will.

I don't want Farage anywhere near number 10 but I have made peace with the fact it's probably going to happen now unless somebody courageous and charismatic appears out of the other main parties. Right now there's nobody to back. Corbyn won't win. He didn't against Boris or May and he won't this time. His policies will come from a good place but be absolutely disastrous economically.

But there isn't an election tomorrow you've got to look at what's coming later in the parliament.

Polls don't really mean much right now will do in 2 years time.

I reckon he will make it to the next election every time there has been a leadership change in government the party has been booted out if there was an election happened under Brown, Sunak and May lost the majority. Because Labour are doing fine in Government but rubbish at Comms and poor advisors.

 

[GooseOnTheLoose]

every time there has been a leadership change in government the party has been booted out

They haven't, you even alluded that your statement was factually incorrect.

The Conservatives weren't booted out under Theresa May, she managed to form a government.

The Conservatives weren't booted out under Boris Johnson, who won the highest percentage of the popular vote for any party since 1979.

The Conservatives weren't booted out under Liz Truss.

 

[Hid]

They haven't, you even alluded that your statement was factually incorrect.

The Conservatives weren't booted out under Theresa May, she managed to form a government.

The Conservatives weren't booted out under Boris Johnson, who won the highest percentage of the popular vote for any party since 1979.

The Conservatives weren't booted out under Liz Truss.

May lost the majority though, 2019 was due to Brexit and Liz Truss didn't last long enough before a General Election had to be called.

But really the next election after if you change leader during a parliament and there isn't a hot topic. Then you will be more likely to loose

 

[GooseOnTheLoose]

May lost the majority though,

You specifically stated that the party was kicked out after changing leader. I have given you three very recent examples when that wasn't the case. Stop changing the goal posts.

 

[Matt N]

The only times in “recent” politics I can think of where the party was kicked out the election after they changed leader were Gordon Brown and Rishi Sunak (well, I guess Liz Truss might also qualify, but she never fought an election as Tory leader, so I’ll let her off). And it’s fair to say that there were some extenuating circumstances with both; Labour grew unpopular after the financial crisis and Iraq, and the Tories grew unpopular after the smorgasbord of Partygate, the cost of living crisis and Truss.

As said, May and Johnson both won elections after becoming leader (Johnson in particular won handsomely, in fact), and back in 1992, John Major also won the election with a majority after he became leader.

 

[Tom]

Likely to be a net benefit to Labour if Starmer left but way too early to even consider such things seriously.