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[2025] Europa-Park General Discussion

Rob F said:
Dave don’t hate on the Mir, yes the coaster was average….. but the experience the lift the music and VIBE !!!
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I agree that the lift hill, top section (those views!) and the soundtrack are great, but the ride itself tracks awful I'm afraid. I'm glad to have ridden it once back in May, though, but once was enough.
 
Skyscraper said:
I agree that the lift hill, top section (those views!) and the soundtrack are great, but the ride itself tracks awful I'm afraid. I'm glad to have ridden it once back in May, though, but once was enough.
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I’m on the fence whether we will ride it on our visit next May.

Obviously the enthusiast in me wants to try it once, especially as it’s closing.

I appreciate tales of roughness are both subjective and somewhat overplayed in a community like this but the reports are so overwhelmingly negative I’m concerned about an injury spoiling our trip.

Are there any other comparable coasters?
 
Bowser said:
I’m on the fence whether we will ride it on our visit next May.

Obviously the enthusiast in me wants to try it once, especially as it’s closing.

I appreciate tales of roughness are both subjective and somewhat overplayed in a community like this but the reports are so overwhelmingly negative I’m concerned about an injury spoiling our trip.

Are there any other comparable coasters?
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I’d say Euro-Mir is more of a leg basher than a head basher. The ride has lap bars, so you won’t be bashing your head from side to side in the same way as on, say, Saw.

With that said, I did find it absolutely vile and liked it less than Saw (of the 137 coasters I’ve ridden, it’s not in my top 100, and I easily found it Europa’s weakest coaster), but I think enough people like it that I would still give it a go in your position. Euro-Mir is polarising rather than universally hated, I feel.
 
Yeah I'd say it's definitely worth doing once for the soundtrack, rave spiral and views from the top. Just brace yourself as much as you can and bear in mind that your bags must ride with you.
 
Mir is not going to cause injuries, it's not the Ultimate. The profiling on the first drop is pretty poor which results in a bit of shaking at the bottom but as it's got lap bars it doesn't really matter.

Really you should be riding it as many times as it takes to be facing backwards on the 2nd half. I'm always disappointed if I get it the "wrong" way for my final ride of it on any EP trip
 
Bowser said:
I’m on the fence whether we will ride it on our visit next May.

Obviously the enthusiast in me wants to try it once, especially as it’s closing.

I appreciate tales of roughness are both subjective and somewhat overplayed in a community like this but the reports are so overwhelmingly negative I’m concerned about an injury spoiling our trip.

Are there any other comparable coasters?
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I think it’s a bad ride but you should ride it, its not going to cause injury.
 
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Wouldnt even say it was rough on my ride this year. Just... mediocre.

Even going backwards at the end resulted in nothing. And that's usually a banker.

It'll do no major damage.
 
It's a bit janky and it chucks you around a bit, but in my opinion it's one of the most fun rides at the park. It's not going to give you any serious injuries and it doesn't give you awful head-banging headaches like most SLCs. The worst I've ever come off with is a bashed elbow. I really don't believe it deserves all the bad press it gets. I accept that there might be variations in experience due to rider height, build etc, but you have to try it to see for yourself really. It would be madness to avoid it altogether based on the negative opinions of others.
 
I love Mir, and have lapped it before. I wouldn't call it rough, but I understand why people say it. The first drop isn't great and the brake run is abrupt (along with the corner into it, especially if backwards). It's the profiling/design, which stands out because everything else in the park is smooth
 
I think much of the discomfort is that you are sitting relatively upright in the small cars which, combined with the few rough sections during the 17 seconds of the ride that constitute the actual roller coaster part, can be a little jolting. I think especially if you end up backwards during the final section the combination of all of these things can leave you a bit shaken. I wouldn't say it's so bad as to avoid it completely but it can be pretty uncomfortable in a way none of the other rides at EP really are. I do hate to say it but I think the wrong train/seat on Voltron has a much higher potential of ruining your day, though I think this is much less of a problem now than it was when the ride was newly opened.
 
Seems there is an issue with one of the acts performing in the Circus show this year.

There are videos of mistreatment of the dogs involved in the show. EP have said this act has now been removed from future performances.

It does raise questions as to the due diligence undertaken for third party performers in the park. I sincerely hope this is a catalyst for them removing all animals from future shows. It’s just so unnecessary in 2025.

https://www.peta.de/neuigkeiten/europa-park-rust-trainer-schlaegt-hunde/
 
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Fair enough that the footage shows a very bad situation. But then when Peta go on to say in the article "animal training - even with domesticated animals - is based on violence and fear" completely goes against any positive work they are doing.

Teaching your dog basic recall? Nah that's animal cruelty. Muppets.
 
Though I don't wish to deny the severity of this particular incident (which sounds shocking though I have not watched the video), I've always taken most things Peta say with a big fat pinch of salt.

Using domestic animals in entertainment is not inherently wrong, providing the animals are well cared for, their needs are being met and they're enjoying performing - which there's a lot of evidence to suggest that they do. However, mixing animals with commercial interests always carries risk - especially when financial interests might override the welfare of the animal. What do you do if your performing circus dog just doesn't want to work? Do you let them off and cancel the show? Or do you force them to perform because you've got an arena of 3000 people slow-clapping and waiting to see your act that they've paid good money for?

Personally I'd be happy to see circus shows such as the one produced at EP become human-only. If they do choose to use animals, there must be flexibility and a plan B if an animal is unwilling to perform for any reason.
 
At the park today and have sacked off seeing the Circus. I’m not averse to a basic recall dog act - I do the same with my own pooch at home. But I don’t want to support any company who are physically or psychologically abusive to animals. Another bit of bad press for EP, rooted in the Mack’s limitless veneration for nostalgia and fellow old-world institutions.
 
They’ve removed the act, so you wouldn’t be directly supporting that by attending. If you’re at the park, then you’re already supporting the “Mack’s limitless veneration for nostalgia and fellow old-world institution”.

It’s a curious one for EP, because they were quite early to adopt other limitations on animal performances. They for instance removed their dolphin show in the early 90s.

From an entirely uneducated personal perspective, the animals which still seem to routinely appear in that circus do make me slightly uneasy, whereas I would find it a real shame to see the horses disappear from the Spanish arena.
 
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