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2025: Toxicator - General Discussion

JamesP said:
Or achieve both sides having a view and it being at ground level by putting it side-on on the old submission / enterprise site. FV didn’t really need it in the way X Sector does.
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That's the other thing; raising it up avoids the issue of having to dig a large pit for the retractable platform.
 
Skyscraper said:
To be fair though, with the gondola being double-sided they didn't really have a choice. Raising it up ensures that everyone gets a good view, instead of one side aways facing the trees, and ensures that spectators have a clear view of both sets of riders.
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Although I appreciate the challenge.

Merlin/DIC/Tussauds are on the record about the fountains playing havoc with ride maintenance.

In the UK, in its climate and despite already knowing this, they stuck fountains up high with seemingly ever asking themselves ‘I wonder what the wind will do’.

It just beggars belief, the design meetings, the approvals, exec level, MMM, marketing, operations, maintenance, i would expect all need need to sign off on capital investments and yet glaringly obvious mistakes were made. I’m sure the lessons learned report was substantial…maybe they can put that on LinkedIn with the other buzzwords…

Personally they’d of been completely better sticking the whole thing in a box with screens either side along with other effects, creating an actual controlled environment.
 
The cost of digging a relatively shallow pit for the lowering floor would have been considerably less than the big concrete plinth. Parks all over do it and in the X Sector example both submission and enterprise had pits. As others have said having fountains on the raised plinth creates just such obvious issues with wind, water and drainage it’s amazing it was the solution they arrived at. It only seems to be the best solution if your brief is ‘we want a ride like ripsaw on the same site’
 
MaxPower said:
As I've said in the past, it should of gone where the blade was if they knew it was going.

Makes no sense to stick it up on an ugly concrete plinth, especially if your going to put fountains on it.
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I can only assume they had no plans for the blade to go when designing Toxicator. And given they repainted blade the year before it went, I guess they didn’t know.
 
Realistically, I think the only coaster you could potentially fit in Blade’s pit would be something compact and straight with little to no lateral motion, such as an S&S Free Spin or RES Roller Ball. Or maybe a very small kiddie coaster.

Mack PowerSplashes are surprisingly long in terms of the actual space they take up, so I doubt one would fit in Blade’s footprint alone without removing more stuff around it. And anything “full size”, so to speak, with any significant lateral motion, is a complete non starter without removing more around the Blade site.

If you remember back to early 2015, when a wooden coaster was briefly conceived for Forbidden Valley, the station was set to inhabit Blade’s current plot. I think that puts into perspective how small it is in the grand scheme of coasters.
 
I could think of a couple ways to add a coaster in that spot:

1: a bit of a cheating way, but build an underground station under Rcade, and make it a shuttle LIM launch and have it essentially a new version of thunder looper but with only one spike after the loop, and it braked back into the station.

2: with the vertical LIM type of technology used in Voltron, I wonder if something like sky scream could be made more compact and could fit in there,

However do I think what ever money spent on this project could be better used else where? Yes
 
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