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Gender Identity

I believe that as well as the length of time getting shorter, the need for reports from doctors etc is also getting dropped. Honest apologies if I've got that wrong as I was skim-reading the details from somewhere yesterday.
I believe that the thing getting scrapped is the need for a gender dysphoria diagnosis, as well as reports talking about any surgery or medical procedures done in relation to this diagnosis.

The process of proving that you have “lived as the opposite gender” will remain the same as @Benzin described previously, as far as I can tell. This would mean that the system is still protected against abuse while transgender people gain greater rights, which is surely a win-win situation, no?
 
I believe that as well as the length of time getting shorter, the need for reports from doctors etc is also getting dropped. Honest apologies if I've got that wrong as I was skim-reading the details from somewhere yesterday.

I think the prison example is a bit of a right wing/ TERF scare tactic. Any prisoner regardless of gender is risk assessed before being put into the general prison population. If someone pulled that trick they would identified and restricted.

As for the safe woman’s spaces, you don’t need a certificate to enter a woman’s space, there is nothing stopping a male sexual predictor to dress as a woman now and enter these spaces, they don’t need the go through the effort of getting gender recognition.
 
I'd imagine the reasoning behind dropping the need for the "official" diagnosis from doctors is to allow things for those who are unable to get the right help (be it family or other factors) or to help with those who may struggle to get a diagnosis.

Seeing the situation with how potential autism is treated with 7 month wait periods I doubt many can get through similar waiting periods for this situation. GPs aren't equipped for the most specialist mental bits and pieces.
 
Going forward, I think that a good way to manage this issue is to ensure that there is a clear distinction made between sex and gender. Despite these two terms often being used interchangeably, they are very different.

Sex is a biological fact. In 99.9% of cases, you are born either male or female (a very small percentage are born intersex, but that’s not really what this debate is about), and that is not something you can change regardless of how you personally feel. You can technically have a sex change operation, but even that does not change your biological sex per se; your biological sex is the one you were born as, and you will always maintain elements of your birth sex due to the two sexes going through puberty differently. To my knowledge, you cannot legally have a sex change operation as a child or be forced to go through the opposite type of puberty to that of your birth sex.

Gender, on the other hand, is a social construct. You can identify as a different gender as you see fit, and there are more than two genders. You can be male, female, non-binary, or something entirely different if you wish, and I fully support that. Ultimately, you’re not harming anyone by using different pronouns to those of your birth sex or living as a different gender to your birth sex, and I fully support those who wish to. I think it’s brilliant that we live in a society where that is possible.

However, I do feel that abandoning birth sex entirely could prove counterintuitive in a small number of areas. In most parts of life, considering chosen gender doesn’t pose an issue whatsoever, but I think some niche areas still need to consider biological sex.

In a medical setting, for instance, I think that biological sex still needs to be taken into account to ensure that people receive the correct treatment for certain things and are given medical advice that’s fully relevant to them.

I also feel that biological sex should be considered in areas involving any kind of physicality or areas relying on physical strength, as biological males and biological females mature and develop very differently and have different muscle compositions and such.

Gender identity is a very, very complicated issue in some aspects, for sure…
 
Sorry to bump this thread, but within the last week, there has been a rather interesting news story with regard to gender identity. It certainly made mainstream headlines, anyhow.

For those not aware, the Cass Review, an NHS-commissioned review into gender identity services for under-18s, was released last week by paediatrician Dr Hilary Cass. The review was first commissioned in 2020 after a sharp rise in the number of gender-questioning patients referred to NHS gender services.

The report made 32 recommendations in total, and reported various findings and conclusions. These include:
  • There was no clear explanation for the rise in the number of young people with gender dysphoria, but there was a broad agreement for attribution to a mix of biological and psychosocial factors, such as social media-related mental health problems, access to information regarding gender dysphoria and struggles with emerging sexual orientation. The report considered a rise in acceptance of transgender identities to be insufficient to explain the increase.
  • The review found that gender identity treatment is “an area of remarkably weak evidence”. Cass states that “Results of studies are exaggerated or misrepresented by people on all sides of the debate to support their viewpoint. The reality is that we have no good evidence on the long-term outcomes of interventions to manage gender-related distress.”.
  • The debate around how to care for young people with gender dysphoria is polarised. Some clinicians believe that most people presenting to gender services will go on to have a long-term trans identity and should be supported to access a medical pathway at an early stage. Others believe that this path prematurely medicalises young people with multiple other difficulties that are manifesting through gender dysphoria.
  • Cass describes the toxicity of the debate around gender identity as “exceptional”, stating that “there are few other areas of healthcare where professionals are so afraid to openly discuss their views, where people are vilified on social media and where name-calling echoes the worst bullying behaviour. This must stop.”. Cass also states that the toxicity of the debate has made some clinicians fearful of working with young people with gender dysphoria.
  • The review found that many people have already socially transitioned by the time they are seen clinically. This means doing things such as changing their name by deed poll and attending school in their chosen gender.
  • The review found that research on the impact of social transition is generally of a poor quality and that findings are contradictory. Some studies suggest that allowing a young person to socially transition may improve mental health and social and educational participation, while others say that allowing young people to socially transition is more likely to lead to an altered life trajectory and medical intervention with lifelong implications that they may otherwise have not taken.
  • With this in mind, the review declares that there are “many unknowns” about the impact of social transition, and recommends that parents should be involved in decision making unless there are strong grounds to believe that this would put a child at risk. The review recommends that where children are pre-puberty, families should be seen as early as possible by a clinician with relevant experience. It also suggests avoiding premature decisions and considering partial transition as a means of keeping options open.
  • The review suggests that any young person seeking NHS help with gender dysphoria should be screened for neurodevelopmental conditions such as autism and ADHD and given a mental health assessment. This is due to a finding that among people using NHS gender services, there is a higher than average prevalence of conditions such as autism and ADHD, a higher than average prevalence of poor mental health, and also a higher than average prevalence of adverse childhood experiences (e.g. child sexual abuse).
  • The review states that evidence surrounding the use of puberty blockers is weak, with no evidence that they “buy time to think” and concern that they may change the trajectory of psychosexual and gender identity development and pose risks to long-term bone health. There is also a lack of evidence to prove that masculinising and feminising hormones improve body satisfaction and psychosocial health and reduce child and adolescent suicide rates, and there are concerns over the impact on fertility, growth and bone health. As such, Cass recommends that there should be significant caution exercised in giving hormones to children below the age of 18, with them only being given where there is a strong clinical case for it. This is despite the NHS currently allowing them to be given to children as young as 16.
  • Cass recommends that a “follow-through service” should be put in place for 17 to 25 year olds rather than letting them instantly transition to adult services, with caution being advised in allowing full medical transition in people below the age of 25.
As a result of the Cass review’s findings, NHS adult gender services in England are to undergo a major review, while local NHS leaders have been told to pause first appointment offers at adult gender clinics to young people who are under 18.

What do people think of the Cass Review’s findings and recommendations? I won’t profess to have too much knowledge on the topic of gender identity myself, so I think it would be unfair for all involved for me to express an overly entrenched viewpoint, but I’m willing to be informed, and I’d be intrigued to hear the views of others on this.

One thing I do agree with the review on, however, is that the debate around gender identity has been made far too toxic. The fact that people on both sides of the debate are getting utterly vilified for their views prevents a nuanced, balanced debate on the topic, in my view, and I don’t think that social media has helped with this at all.

I’m aware that this is a sensitive topic, so I sincerely apologise if I have said anything that’s construed as insensitive; that was certainly never my intent.

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From looks of it a lot of stuff that is already easy to figure out has been stated.

If the plan is to push those seeking help into the mental health teams then those need to be improved fast as they're already stretched thin.

Given that the sides of the "debate" are:

1) Accept trans people and support them.
2) Trans people are mentally unwell and are just men looking to abuse women in toilets.

Only one side is truly toxic.

Children need the support to work through their lives, but do not really get it as the school's focus tends to be on making them good at exams rather than prepare for actual life.
 
Do you not think it is kind of ironic though, how society is told we must accept who people are and accept the choices they have made. But, they themselves have not accepted who they were so felt the need to change their gender. I can see why people think there is some double standards going on.

I may have missed something but I've seen that point brought up alot recently.

I have no issues with anyone being who they want to be, everyone deserves to be happy and comfortable.
 
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National debt is 97.1% of GDP. Our most basic of public services are failing. Councils are going bankrupt. Home ownership for the young is a distant memory, even renting is becoming a pipe dream. Yet this subject matter, and those of similar matters, takes up so much political oxygen.

I see "look over there" culture war political tactics is thriving. Maybe the debate is now toxic because it's designed to be? Maybe those who have no hope for the future have given up and are turning against eachother instead, using odiously toxic and unregulated social media platforms in which to do this?

Our systems and institutions are so bereft of answers now, that they have resorted to pointing you towards someone else they think you should hate instead whilst they nick your wallet. What horrible times we now live in.
 
Do you not think it is kind of ironic though, how society is told we must accept who people are and accept the choices they have made. But, they themselves have not accepted who they were so felt the need to change their gender. I can see why people think there is some double standards going on.

I may have missed something but I've seen that point brought up alot recently.

I have no issues with anyone being who they want to be, everyone deserves to be happy and comfortable.

Gender is a social construct.

Genetically you are give a sex upon birth purely based on genitals due to chromosome distribution. However the body might not completely agree with this sentiment as the brain is a strange and complex thing.

I've known someone who transitioned both before and afterwards. Didn't affect me in the slightest as in the general sense they were the same person just in a different 'shell' for want of a better term. If that's what they felt they had to do to be happy then all we could do was give them continued support for it.

There's no double standards. They've been given a label they have no control over from birth and have decided they no longer wish to have/be that particular one. But society demands that men be men and women be women, completely ignoring the vast spectrum of things both can do or be.

The sheer irony of things being that the Queen TERF used her initials for Harry Potter to hide her true self, and her recent series is under a male pseudonym. Much like with these things (the high amount of anti-lgbt people who dabble in the activity) these people do protest too much.
 
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