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Nemesis Reborn: General Discussion

Rode Reborn last Sunday and it was genuinely terrible. Nemesis is my number 0 coaster. Just absoluely adore it but that Sunday ride was just awful. Made a horrendous noise as it traversed the track, jittered and wobbled the entire way and I can honestly describe it as rough. The train was shaking all the way round.

It seriously needs something happening to it. I rode row 7 right outer seat.
 
I rode a couple of times today and I'm increasingly feeling that the ride experience these days is just not that great, I think the trains/rows differ but even on a "good" seat I now rate Inferno significantly higher.

It seems a lot of B&M coasters built recently just aren't that great, they've really slipped down in the manufacture tier list.
 
I rode it numerous times the other week on a really quiet day and it ranged from forceful and smooth to horribly rough and unpleasant. On the worst occasions you’d see the wheel above you visibly vibrating as it rode along and making a horrid noise.

I’m sure for the infrequent guest it is smoother than before as the headbangs have gone. But as frequent visitors I knew where they all were so could brace and position myself accordingly, so never had a rough ride. The worse thing now is that you never know what kind of ride you are going to get as it is seemingly random whether it’s rough or not. Though I did think, compared to last year it definitely was bad more times than it was good. I can’t imagine what it will be riding like after 28 years.

As a customer, you’d imagine Alton Towers would be really disappointed and annoyed that the same coaster with 30 years worth of manufacturing advances is less smooth than the one it replaced. I wonder if parks around the world are exerting pressure on B&M due to the slip in quality. On new coasters it’s a hard comparison, but nemesis with the same layout makes it clear that standards have dropped.
 
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It would be some layout have to confess, not as an Arrow Pipeline though…. Good choice avoiding that coaster type…

I do wonder though if it had of been built would it be the success Nemesis is. And would the relationship with B&M started - ultimately leading to the dive and flying coaster.
 
Jb85 said:
It would be some layout have to confess, not as an Arrow Pipeline though…. Good choice avoiding that coaster type…

I do wonder though if it had of been built would it be the success Nemesis is. And would the relationship with B&M started - ultimately leading to the dive and flying coaster.
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You could have this layout built by intamin either at the back of Dark Forest or replacement for Rita and before the ride ends have it combined with the cross valley coaster but as a steelie to across towards Forbidden Valley and back across the valley would be a new star ride
 
I rode it for the first time this year yesterday, and it was awful. I don't like using the term "rough" liberally, and I haven't used it to explain Nemesis before. But it did actually feel like it. I'd prefer the jolts on the Smiler to this.

It's like a different ride. I'm bracing my neck for the corkscrews and the zero g due to years of instinct riding the original knowing that if you didn't your ears were going to get it. But there's no need, it glides over with ease. But everything else felt awful. 3 Inversions are better, everything else is worse.

The first ride of the day and the rattling above my head started pretty much as soon as the lift hill chain had detached. Then the vibrations started at the bottom of the drop before the pull up into the first corkscrew. The downwards helix vibrations were really noticeable. Then apart from the inversions, this just got worse and worse. By the end, it was like riding gravel.

The second ride (was on train 1) at the end of the day wasn't as bad. Rattle wasn't as loud, but then the vibrations started at the turnaround. Again, thumps and rattles all the way to the end. Vastly inferior to the original despite an identical layout. How is this possible?

Since I'm of the personal opinion that Forbidden Valley (other than the inside and outside job of the station which is still brilliant) is now quite a horrid and tacky feeling place full of concrete, helicopters, body armer, annoying noises, dull music, and covered in black paint, I almost wish they'd never bothered. I enjoyed riding Rita more than Nemesis yesterday. Rita!
 
This is so odd, as last year, I genuinely would have said that the rattle felt entirely benign and was something I hardly noticed. I probably wouldn’t have even picked up on it had it not been so heavily discussed. In 2024, I would say that on balance, I found Reborn a more comfortable ride than the original given that the occasional headbanging that the original used to have had been eliminated.

Has it really deteriorated that much over the off-season? Or am I just relatively less sensitive to vibration compared to headbanging/jolting?
 
Matt N said:
This is so odd, as last year, I genuinely would have said that the rattle felt entirely benign and was something I hardly noticed. I probably wouldn’t have even picked up on it had it not been so heavily discussed. In 2024, I would say that on balance, I found Reborn a more comfortable ride than the original given that the occasional headbanging that the original used to have had been eliminated.

Has it really deteriorated that much over the off-season? Or am I just relatively less sensitive to vibration compared to headbanging/jolting?
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Everyone’s threshold is different, but last year I only really felt the rattle once or twice and wasn’t really bothered by it. I felt it was a bit of an overblown issue.

However this year it was really unpleasant, and at its worst occurred throughout the duration of the ride with no let up. The old one I could marathon easily, but just couldn’t do it with Reborn, the constant shaking was too much.

The way it’s variable does make it seem like the train rather than the track. You’d imagine that parks would exert pressure in the manufacturer to come up with a fix for it. Or frankly B&M would do it anyway for reputational reasons
 
JamesP said:
Everyone’s threshold is different, but last year I only really felt the rattle once or twice and wasn’t really bothered by it. I felt it was a bit of an overblown issue.

However this year it was really unpleasant, and at its worst occurred throughout the duration of the ride with no let up. The old one I could marathon easily, but just couldn’t do it with Reborn, the constant shaking was too much.

The way it’s variable does make it seem like the train rather than the track. You’d imagine that parks would exert pressure in the manufacturer to come up with a fix for it. Or frankly B&M would do it anyway for reputational reasons
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You are of course assuming that AT have had enough complaints to go to B&M over this.

I very much doubt the general public would say anything given they likely won’t ride it as much as we do.
 
I didn’t feel the rattle at all last year either and really enjoyed it but the most recent ride I had at the start of this month was absolutely horrendous. Id ridden it twice in the day before as well and it was absolutely fine
 
If you get train 2 then it is miles smoother than train 1. Train 2 is silky smooth yet 1 is a very poor ride. It’s more luck than anything which I think leads to people’s varied responses. But yes Train 1 needs major work it is very uncomfortable, not because of head banging as such, more the vibrating and bumpiness.
 
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