GooseOnTheLoose
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Not born.Where were all of these people who ‘need RAP’ 10-15 years ago?
Not born.Where were all of these people who ‘need RAP’ 10-15 years ago?
Not born.
Changes and evolutions in how society acknowledges, accepts and assess disabilities.unless I’m overlooking something.
Okay, but one generation suddenly can’t suddenly have 10/15x the amount of people that have conditions requiring the use of RAP, that’s just basic genetics. The only explanation is that people using conditions that don’t necessarily need RAP access to get ‘free fast-track’, unless I’m overlooking something.
What you're overlooking is that medical criteria for neurodivergence has massively increased in those ten or fifteen years.
I fear this is a profoundly flawed argument. Suggesting that because a demographic coped (or appeared to cope) in the past means that the current standard of care or accessibility is unnecessary is a dangerous logical fallacy.But if were people with the same level of condition were fine waiting in a normal queue ten or fifteen years ago, so should those today with the same level with condition.
They likely managed by using the previous iterations of the system. RAP (or the Exit Pass system before it) has existed at Merlin parks for decades in various forms. It hasn't just appeared in the last few years. The eligibility criteria were just different (often based on DLA / Blue Badge rather than Nimbus).Also of interest were people who mentioned being loyal to Merlin over the past 10-15 years, now not visiting due to not being able to use their RAP pass. Which begs the question, how did they manage to visit prior to the passes coming into an effect a few years ago?
While your personal resilience is commendable, using your own experience to gatekeep the needs of others is unhelpful. Disability is a spectrum. That you can tolerate a queue with your specific presentation of ADHD does not mean that everyone with ADHD can.As someone with ADHD and Dyspraxia who has never used a RAP, and never will, I find it scummy that many people who are fair better off than me are abusing the system and making it more difficult for those who really need it like wheelchair users.
But if were people with the same level of condition were fine waiting in a normal queue ten or fifteen years ago, so should those today with the same level with condition. People are abusing a system that they don’t need. Yes, perhaps it is slightly uncomfortable for them to stand in a normal queue, but if they can do it, then they should do it and avoiding the RAP. As someone with ADHD and Dyspraxia who has never used a RAP, and never will, I find it scummy that many people who are fair better off than me are abusing the system and making it more difficult for those who really need it like wheelchair users.
But if were people with the same level of condition were fine waiting in a normal queue ten or fifteen years ago, so should those today with the same level with condition. People are abusing a system that they don’t need. Yes, perhaps it is slightly uncomfortable for them to stand in a normal queue, but if they can do it, then they should do it and avoiding the RAP. As someone with ADHD and Dyspraxia who has never used a RAP, and never will, I find it scummy that many people who are fair better off than me are abusing the system and making it more difficult for those who really need it like wheelchair users.
Flattery will get you everywhere. I simply try to bring a little aerodynamic efficiency to the discourse.and as usual @GooseOnTheLoose responded with greater pace and insight
Using the Blue Badge scheme as the sole arbiter for Ride Access Pass eligibility is a blunt instrument that would likely cause more problems than it solves. There are a few reasons why this wouldn't be fairer.So out of interest, if the system was based on say, people with a blue badge, would this be fairer do we think and result in people who have been assessed (I assume) by a GP to have an inability to stand for long, or with large crowds?
On the flip side is it unreasonable for RAP users to use an attraction with little to no queue?
I’ll confess our typical Chessington routine was to ride Vampire, then when faced with a 90+ minute timeout to visit Room on the Broom on our way to either the sensory room or a quiet lunch location because the queue was always 5 minutes or less.
Historically RAP users were also waiting longer than the main queues as the RAP line waiting time often wasn’t accounted for in the time out, though the new capacity generally eradicated this and it looks like the new system has this built into it via the entrance scans.
Whilst this sounds logical on paper to prevent hogging, as you've alluded to it is legally perilous.
Selling a product marketed as "Unlimited Entry" (MAP) but then telling a disabled guest, "Sorry, you have used up your disability quota for the year, please come back when you are cured or start queuing," creates a direct discriminatory barrier that able bodied passholders do not face. It would be an open goal for the Equality and Human Rights Commission, you are penalising a guest for the frequency of their visits solely based on a protected characteristic.
The issue with the Quiet Room solution is scale, even if we assume that they're evenly distributed.
If the statistics regarding 20 - 30% of guests being RAP users are even remotely accurate, you aren't looking for a Quiet Room. You're looking for a holding facility with the capacity of a departure gate at every major attraction.
Let's be generous and assume that the 2,000+ RAP users on a busy Saturday are perfectly split across the "Big 7" coasters. That's roughly 285 people waiting per ride at any given moment.
To house nearly 300 people safely, and importantly, quietly enough to be a valid sensory break, you'd need significant square footage. Standard building occupancy guidelines (roughly 1.5m² per person for a loose waiting area) suggest you would need approximately 430m² of floor space just to hold that single group.
To put that in perspective, a standard tennis court is roughly 260m². You would need a facility nearly double the size of a tennis court, located next to the entrance of every single major coaster, just to house the displaced RAP queue.
And that is just for a waiting room. If you want it to actually be a quiet / sensory room where people aren't practically sitting in each other's laps, you need even more space. If you reduce the size to fit the available land, you are simply creating a crowded indoor queue line, which defeats the entire purpose of the accommodation.
The brutal reality is that Merlin has realised they cannot engineer their way out of this with apps, rooms, or scanners. The volume was simply too high. The only lever they had left to pull was the eligibility criteria itself.
It is a sledgehammer approach, and the communication has been abysmal, but it is the inevitable mathematical conclusion of a system that had collapsed under its own weight.
On the flip side is it unreasonable for RAP users to use an attraction with little to no queue?
I’ll confess our typical Chessington routine was to ride Vampire, then when faced with a 90+ minute timeout to visit Room on the Broom on our way to either the sensory room or a quiet lunch location because the queue was always 5 minutes or less.
Historically RAP users were also waiting longer than the main queues as the RAP line waiting time often wasn’t accounted for in the time out, though the new capacity generally eradicated this and it looks like the new system has this built into it via the entrance scans.
Lots of media outlets covering it now. I’m somewhat naively surprised that’s it’s exclusively a right wing story. Thus the comments are overwhelmingly in support of it which is no surprise with headlines like this:
Lots of media outlets covering it now. I’m somewhat naively surprised that’s it’s exclusively a right wing story. Thus the comments are overwhelmingly in support of it which is no surprise with headlines like this:
Alton Towers bans people with anxiety from using disability pass
Theme park changes rules after complaints from visitors with mobility problems over longer ‘fast lane’ queues
As you say the communication around the changes was extremely poor and creates its own set of problems.This isn’t an issue limited to Merlin, and all of the other operators (most notably Disney) pretty much get the same noise towards them. They all have similar ride models across their parks, what they might need is some sort of industry-wide agreement about what is eligible, bring in academics, bring in partners like Nimbus, bring in manufacturers and finally and most importantly bring in disabled people to get their input and perspective.
Then whatever decisions/compromises are made should be made clear and apparent well in advance, not quietly dropped in the run-up to a new season. They can say then “this is a global industry decision informed by best practice and the voice of disabled people” towards guests. Their could be regular reviews and changes to the policy but if everywhere is pretty much unified and has the same access, then it would stop a lot of the ‘whataboutism’, inconsistency and abuse of the RAP systems.
Unfortunately charities for many hidden disabilities have acted in ways for many years that give some people with such conditions a false sense of what is realistically possible in the real world and which can create further barriers for such people.
