Bowser
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What are they doing differently then?
Short answer: Infinitely more capacity. More rides, more throughput, more maintenance, more entertainment, longer opening hours.
What are they doing differently then?
You're asking the right question, but you've arrived at a conclusion built on a flawed foundation, because you are missing the last piece of the puzzle. The difference is a structural difference in the business model and the primary incentive of the assessment process.Disney and Universal are equally commercially driven as Merlin, if not more so, both operating an expensive fast pass service and they don't seem to have anything like the same issues with their RAP based system as Merlin are.
What are they doing differently then?
I think you'll find if you dig deep enough, they are just being a lot more selective on who qualifies and who doesn't.
Disney and Universal conduct their accessibility assessments in house and, critically, at no charge to the user.
Although you're right that Disneyland Paris will accept an Access Card, the comparison you've drawn is a misleading one, as it misses the distinction that lies at the heart of the entire debacle.I should flag this only applies to their US parks. Disneyland Paris for example accept the Nimbus cards for UK visitors and equivalents from elsewhere.
I don’t know about the various Asian parks but i expect cultural differences there mean RAP is barely used.
Short answer: Infinitely more capacity. More rides, more throughput, more maintenance, more entertainment, longer opening hours.
The park's own trained Cast Members then assess that evidence and issue their own internal Priority Card.
Apologies for the confusing semantics, I meant that trained Cast Members verify a wide and inclusive range of existing, pre-approved, often state issued documentation from around the globe; rather than conducting a fresh assessment with you there and then at the gate.Unless it has changed since our visit this isn’t correct I’m afraid. There is no assessment, the card (or whatever you are using eg Blue Badge) is the evidence that illustrates you have already been assessed. If “trained cast members” are looking at it they are simply confirming the authenticity. They are not contacting Nimbus or the NHS for details on your disability.
The only additional information is confirming your level of autonomy but your access is already approved upon receipt of your Access card etc.
In fact the level of eligibility is incredibly high compared to any UK park with any the following granting you a Priority Card:
- Disability Living Allowance
- Attendance Allowance Award
- Personal independance payment
- Armed Force Compensation Scheme
- Certificate of Vision Impairment
- U.K. Disabled I.D
- National Disability Card
- Access Card
- Parking Card for Disabled People
- Registration Card BD8
- Adult Disability payment
- Disabled Student's Allowance
- Scottish Child Disability Payment
The language is explicitly commercial. The "free" registration is not an act of benevolence, it's the top of a sales funnel. It's the trial version, designed to encourage the user to "upgrade" to the full, paid for, multi venue product. The entire system is designed to either be paid for directly by the venue or by the user as an "upgrade"."Where the Access Card has become popular is when businesses want to streamline their customer access registration scheme and offer a free alternative to having an Access Card. Nimbus are subcontracted to run these access schemes on their behalf... Customers are offered the opportunity to upgrade to a full Access Card."
— https://www.nimbusdisability.com/services/access-card-and-nos/
Out of curiosity, I couldn't help derailing from what I was initially doing to make a cursory investigation:I don’t know about the various Asian parks but i expect cultural differences there mean RAP is barely used.
That is an interesting point. Not that long ago whenever we boarded a ride using my sons RAP card, we would be required to sit in the back row of the ride and he had to be accompanied by an adult 18+. (This meant that he could never ride the Smiler because it was beyond my tolerance level and his siblings weren't old enough to accompany him!) When we queried why, we were told that it was in case of ride breakdowns, they would contact or evacuate the back row first, and was why they had to have an adult with them. When they rejigged the RAP entrances a few years ago that scheme seemed to go out of the window, so not sure what their rationale for changing it was as I thought it was a sensible system.I asked a few pages back if guests can go on rides if they are unable to get off. My follow up question was going to be around people who suffer from anxiety, or being in confined spaces with others if a ride were to break down for a long period of time.
I think the argument in that article where the writer says some use the disability when it suits them is correct for some (not all granted)….
Queue half hour for the monorail up the ramps in crowds of people - yep can do that
Queue half hour for the RAP pass on towers street with others - yep can do that
Queue half hour to get on a ride - oh I can’t do that, I need a faster way to get on the ride
Sorry, those statements will annoy some people granted, but this is the reality for some guests, and I believe Merlin are trying to filter this type of use out.
Add to this what I have read about Nimbus being paid more for each person they issue a card to and it’s no wonder Merlin are looking to change their approach. I don’t know how easy it is to get a RAP or how much medical information/proof is needed, but could it be that those without any significant (or dare I say it , no) disability are able to successfully apply for a card?
Sorry if it rubs people up the wrong way and granted not everyone with a RAP will take the same approach, but many of us have witnessed the large RAP queues on busy days and wondered the same.
Personally I think Merlin will u- turn and say it was just a trial due to all the complaints, and the saga of people with RAP having to queue too long, or complaining passes aren’t available for dates they want to visit will continue. Damned if they do, damned if they don’t.
You make a fair and concise point, but you said sorry twice as if your saying something wrong by voicing your opinion. Don't be afraid to speak up based on your own experience and thoughts.I think the argument in that article where the writer says some use the disability when it suits them is correct for some (not all granted)….
Queue half hour for the monorail up the ramps in crowds of people - yep can do that
Queue half hour for the RAP pass on towers street with others - yep can do that
Queue half hour to get on a ride - oh I can’t do that, I need a faster way to get on the ride
Sorry, those statements will annoy some people granted, but this is the reality for some guests, and I believe Merlin are trying to filter this type of use out.
Add to this what I have read about Nimbus being paid more for each person they issue a card to and it’s no wonder Merlin are looking to change their approach. I don’t know how easy it is to get a RAP or how much medical information/proof is needed, but could it be that those without any significant (or dare I say it , no) disability are able to successfully apply for a card?
Sorry if it rubs people up the wrong way and granted not everyone with a RAP will take the same approach, but many of us have witnessed the large RAP queues on busy days and wondered the same.
Personally I think Merlin will u- turn and say it was just a trial due to all the complaints, and the saga of people with RAP having to queue too long, or complaining passes aren’t available for dates they want to visit will continue. Damned if they do, damned if they don’t.
That is an interesting point. Not that long ago whenever we boarded a ride using my sons RAP card, we would be required to sit in the back row of the ride and he had to be accompanied by an adult 18+. (This meant that he could never ride the Smiler because it was beyond my tolerance level and his siblings weren't old enough to accompany him!) When we queried why, we were told that it was in case of ride breakdowns, they would contact or evacuate the back row first, and was why they had to have an adult with them. When they rejigged the RAP entrances a few years ago that scheme seemed to go out of the window, so not sure what their rationale for changing it was as I thought it was a sensible system.
Stuff like this though does not help at all...
This is very one sided. Not to say it’s not accurate, who knows, none of us were there. But it’s more difficult to believe that the family with the autistic son were blameless, especially when supposedly multiple different staff came to the conclusion that removal from park was the best option.A RAP related story from Efteling to briefly move the thread away from the Merlin debacle. Only one perspective of said incident of course:
A Belgian family's visit to Efteling ended prematurely in early February after a fight at Droomvlucht. Nathalie Verbist reported on her Instagram account @uitstapjes_met_autisme that her group had to leave the park after an incident with other visitors and security guards, in which her autistic son misbehaved.
Verbist writes that she was at the park on Saturday, February 7th, with her husband and two young children with autism. They were invited by Efteling, as part of "tourism for autism ." A disagreement arose with other people waiting at the accessible entrance to Droomvlucht. During an altercation, another couple allegedly cursed and threatened violence.
"Dirty Belgian, get lost. Join the regular line with your fake disability ," the mother quotes one of the attendees as saying. When the conflict escalated, the Belgian family was denied entry to the attraction. Droomvlucht employees called security. Verbist's autistic son, Charles, then lost it. He allegedly screamed and kicked a door.
According to Verbist, the family members were surrounded by security guards. They were told to leave. This led to much misunderstanding. Verbist called her contact person at Efteling, but he, too, concluded that the family had misbehaved and that going home was the only option. Several complaints had reportedly been received about the Belgian group.
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Incident bij Droomvlucht escaleert: Belgisch gezin met autistische zoon uit Efteling gezet
Een bezoek aan de Efteling is voor een Belgisch gezin begin februari voortijdig geëindigd na een ruzie bij Droomvlucht. Nathalie Verbist meldt op...www.looopings.nl
I've certainly noticed on our European theme park trips (excluding Disney) that we get constantly stared at but equally beyond that we've had no negative experiences or interactions.
