Scarefest 2020

[Skyscraper]

They asked for the reason why I'm not able to wear a mask as they get people pretending just because they don't want to wear one. I'll be wearing my exemption lanyard anyway as I'll need it to get into the RBO.

 

[James]

I think if it's that much of an issue then don't bother with the mazes? Wait until 2021.

I appreciate in amongst the doom and gloom we all seek different forms of recreation, however where you find something so inconvenient to yourself why go through the worry/stress, give it a miss and wait for a year.

I'm skipping Towers/theme parks entirely this year due to covid, because it's not something I feel I would enjoy as much at the moment.

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[DistortAMG]

It is quite glaringly obviously and extremely selfish of anyone to even consider going into a maze without a mask.

Its a confined space and you are potentially putting people and their famlies at risk for earning a living.

No mask, no maze, else im sorry you are a really selfish person.

A shop and stuff I can understand. You need food to live, plus you do not have to get as close to staff. A maze however, is not needed to survive.

Potentially putting other peoples lives at risk for your own personal entertainment. Imagine being that person.

Obviously shows a lack of care from Altons side too, but they must be seen to act in a non discriminatory way. Does not mean it is right though. Exceptional times make for exceptional corcumstances and should be treated and acted upon accordingly.

 

[Barnaby Simpson]

They asked for the reason why I'm not able to wear a mask as they get people pretending just because they don't want to wear one. I'll be wearing my exemption lanyard anyway as I'll need it to get into the RBO.

Just 'brave' the mask for the maze, as it will be safer in the long term run for more people than you getting some distress from wearing a mask, if you get me? I just think that would be the better overall decision. Please don't risk other people's health just by not doing something as simple as putting on a mask; even if it may cause you distress. You've mentioned before in this forum multiple times you live in a higher risk area, so please just be safe and don't be the person who causes these scare mazes (which Towers spent a lot of effort making safe) to be unsafe.

 

[Skyscraper]

Just 'brave' the mask for the maze, as it will be safer in the long term run for more people than you getting some distress from wearing a mask, if you get me?

That's what I was going to do, but can't really now as Towers have said that if I can wear a mask for the mazes I'd be expected to wear one in other areas, like everyone. Plus my fam don't want me to wear one as they worry I'll get distressed.

 

[Danscott22]

Right, can I just butt in here - it absolutely DOES NOT mean you are a selfish person if you have a genuine reason for not being able to wear a mask/have a valid reason why you are able to be exempt and I've never read a more ridiculous comment in my life. @skyscraper if you feel you can wear a mask, then I absolutely would do so - if anything you are more at risk than the actors if you don't have one on. I have family members who have tried and it causes them panic attacks - which can I just say in statute law - whether you believe me or not - classifies as a medical disorder, and within a statute lots of things classify as being medical disorders even if it doesn't appear to be on the face of it (I study the law). Some others have disabilities (obvious and hidden) which also prevents them. If you genuinely cannot wear one, me, nor anyone else here, is entitled to call you selfish or tell you that you shouldn't be entering as we don't know you or your personal circumstances. Like I say, I would wear one for your own safety on top of the actors, but if you can be exempt, then you are exempt.

 

[RoyJess]

I don't get the whole can't wear a mask argument? This is an health issue, we all need to do our bit to keep this virus under control. There are plenty of things that we all have to do from time to time that we don't like to do, sometimes you just have to grin and bare it!

What's next? People will be asking for exemption to wearing ride restraints. Whether you are wearing a mask or a ride restraint, in this current climate these are all a necessity, not a luxury.

 

[DistortAMG]

Right, can I just butt in here - it absolutely DOES NOT mean you are a selfish person if you have a genuine reason for not being able to wear a mask/have a valid reason why you are able to be exempt and I've never read a more ridiculous comment in my life. @skyscraper if you feel you can wear a mask, then I absolutely would do so - if anything you are more at risk than the actors if you don't have one on. I have family members who have tried and it causes them panic attacks - which can I just say in statute law - whether you believe me or not - classifies as a medical disorder, and within a statute lots of things classify as being medical disorders even if it doesn't appear to be on the face of it (I study the law). Some others have disabilities (obvious and hidden) which also prevents them. If you genuinely cannot wear one, me, nor anyone else here, is entitled to call you selfish or tell you that you shouldn't be entering as we don't know you or your personal circumstances. Like I say, I would wear one for your own safety on top of the actors, but if you can be exempt, then you are exempt.

Im sorry but yes it totally does. That is ridicilous logic right there.

Not a selfish person if you are out shopping for your health and welbeing. But totally selfish when in a close quarters maze for YOUR own personal enjoyment.

Just because you are exempt, that does not make you less likely to potentially cause harm to someone from not wearing a mask than someone who is not exempt. The risk is still there exempt or not.

So therefor in the context of a close quarter maze in these terrible times, you are selfish for putting your own personal entertainment needs above the health, safety and welbeing of the actors and staff inside the maze. Which is exactly what you are doing by going in the maze without a mask.

Your not going to get ill or malnurished by not going in a maze, but you are going to do your bit to potentially stop the spred of a disease, so this can be over sooner for EVERYONE.

What is wrong with people jesus. Some of these comments sum up what it wrong with peoples attitude in this country to this virus and when other countries are getting back to normality we are going back into lockdowns. People want it gone, but equally refuse to do things to help.

Facepalm moment.

 

[Skyscraper]

Oh, okay.
Out of sheer curiosity, may I ask the exact reason why you cannot wear a mask around other areas of the resort?

I have a learning (hidden) disability that can cause me to get distressed. Now before anyone says that I shouldn't go in the mazes, it's more if things go wrong. Take yesterday for example, please PM me if anyone would like to know.

 

[BarryZola]

It is unfair to say that people who are unable to wear a mask for any physical or mental reason should not be able to enjoy entertainment likes others can.

Can you honestly not see that sometimes there have to be exceptions due to exceptional circumstances, you know, such as a national health crisis with a virus spreading rapidly throughout the nation. Please tell me you're not being deadly serious? This has to be a wind-up? Surely?

 

[DistortAMG]

I'm not sure I understand what you are suggesting here as you are implying that people who could possibly have mental anxiety/distress by wearing a mask are not allowed to enjoy anything apart from the essentials e.g. shopping?

SkyScraper himself has said he WILL wear a mask in the mazes which totally removes any sort of 'selfishness' you are implying he will partake in by going into the mazes.

It is unfair to say that people who are unable to wear a mask for any physical or mental reason should not be able to enjoy entertainment likes others can.

How difficult is it to understand. We are in exceptional times.

Maybe just maybe, due to how severe this is, if you can't wear a mask due to distress or whatever, it might be beneficial for alot of people to give the maze a miss this year. So we can all get back to normaility asap.

Get off your high horse and your moral high ground. Everyones had to make sacrifices of some sorts since March. These are exceptional times, they call for exceptional measures. It wont kill you by not going into a maze this year if you cant wear a mask. But it could do ALOT of good in helping stop the spread due to how close quarters these mazes are.

I have never said people who do not wear masks should not allowed to enjoy any entertainment apart from shopping. So do not put words in my mouth. I have only said about the mazes due to how close quarters they are.

 

[Skyscraper]

Right, and I never said I did not agree with this, in fact my penultimate post explained how I agreed that people should absolutely put masks on during the mazes. There is no need to get confrontational about this, either, as it is a discussion, not a battle of who's right and who's wrong.

Yet, I do not agree with immediately calling people 'selfish' for expressing their discontent for wearing a mask, even though they admitted they would anyway. It is important to understand that people will be making 'sacrifices', such as SkyScraper displayed by saying he would wear a mask in the mazes even if it was uncomfortable for him. Therefore there is no need to call people selfish when they have admitted they would do the right thing anyway.

Say SkyScraper said blatantly he was not going to wear a mask; I would disagree, as these are, as you say, 'exceptional times' in which we must try our best to protect everyone from this virus, including the actors and guests in the mazes. That is my opinion.

I have a medical reason for not wearing a mask. My dad, on the other hand, is completely against masks and point-blank refuses to wear one.

 

[DistortAMG]

Right, and I never said I did not agree with this, in fact my penultimate post explained how I agreed that people should absolutely put masks on during the mazes. There is no need to get confrontational about this, either, as it is a discussion, not a battle of who's right and who's wrong.

Yet, I do not agree with immediately calling people 'selfish' for expressing their discontent for wearing a mask, even though they admitted they would anyway. It is important to understand that people will be making 'sacrifices', such as SkyScraper displayed by saying he would wear a mask in the mazes even if it was uncomfortable for him. Therefore there is no need to call people selfish when they have admitted they would do the right thing anyway.

Say SkyScraper said blatantly he was not going to wear a mask; I would disagree, as these are, as you say, 'exceptional times' in which we must try our best to protect everyone from this virus, including the actors and guests in the mazes. That is my opinion.

Please read my posts properly. I never directly called anyone selfish which you are implying I called a person directly selfish, because you then go on to state that the person in question said they would wear a mask.

I stated quite clearly, it is selfish to go into a close quarter maze, in the current (increasing) national health crysis without a mask, knowing you will be close to people. I did not aim that specifically at anyone it was aimed in general. Sure, Skyscrapers post may have jogged my memory but it was not directed towards him specifically and my wording showed that.

Although I have to point out if you think wearing a mask for 4 or so minuites is really a sacrifice, regardless of mental effects it may have on you. You really need to do some re evaluating. People have lost jobs, family, friends, homes, holidays, not seen family and friends for months on end. Those are real sacrifices. Wearing a mask for 4 minuites in a maze is not a sacrifice at all, as you do have the option to not use the maze, thus not needing to wear the mask. So its not really a sacrifice is it.

 

[Skyscraper]

This is what a guy on a discord server I moderate said on the matter;

"I honestly think that the person saying it's selfish is disgusting. For starters, if people have breathing problems then it could severely affect them physically so not selfish.

And in regards to issues with mental health such as anxiety, that hits home quite a bit. My main problems in life center around mental health, specifically depression and anxiety, so I know how hard it it. And for them to say it's selfish I feel completely dismisses anyone who has to suffer through this stuff. I know more than most that having a mental health condition can make you extremely selfless.

If you have an exemption, you are allowed to use that exemption. I don't care if we're in the middle of a pandemic, other conditions matter atm too. Hell, the pandemic isn't the biggest thing that affects me rn, it's my depression, which is why I prioritize it more, hence why I really want Towers to stay open regardless of Covid. Prioritize your mental health, it's important."

 

[AstroDan]

They have a duty to look after their staff, irrespective of the conditions or otherwise of the guests in the park. For those reasons, given the current climate, Alton Towers are within their rights to refuse non-mask wearers access to some attractions if it would mean that those guests would be less than 2m from a member of staff. It is wholly different from, say, being in a shop - where you would be able to remain 2m+ from a member of staff as there would be other mitigations, such as screens.

Staff have to be protected - and the number of guests that they are in proximity to on a daily basis at the moment really does increase their risk dramatically and, as a consequence, the amount of respect I have for ride hosts. They are low paid, but in a relatively risky position at the moment. Fair play to them.

If it matters so much to an individual, just wait till 2021.

 

[DistortAMG]

This is what a guy on a discord server I moderate said on the matter;

"I honestly think that the person saying it's selfish is disgusting. For starters, if people have breathing problems then it could severely affect them physically so not selfish.

Not it certainly is selfish, because the maze is a choice not a nessecity. This is not a normal time, we have a rapidly growing national health crysis. Where do these people get their self entitlement from.

As I mentioned in the other covid thread, I suffer severe athsma, I could be excempt from not wearing masks in mazes but I have done some mazes with a mask, because I understand the severity of the situation. If I did not want to wear a mask I would not have put other people at risk and stayed out.

Why are some people so self entitled? Were in a pandemic for god sake. Your being asked to wear a mask to KEEP PEOPLE SAFE. Don't want to do that? Keep people safe by not using the maze. Some people these days are incredibly selfish, stupid, nieve and entitled. Its shocking. Its the attitude of these types of people that is causing us to go into second lockdowns while most of Europe gets back to normal.

Let that last sentance sink in.

 

[Skyscraper]

Thing is though, yes it's a confined space but you are only near each actor for a few seconds. It's not like you're going to be next to them for an hour.

I myself haven't been out much at all, for various reasons.

 

[DistortAMG]

Thats all it takes to spred a virus though. Does not take hours.

A virus can be spred from a person to a person via a single spoken world in a second.

Amusingly, ive seen people not wearing a mask during this airborn virus pandemic being reffered to as rat lickers. In reference to the idea of licking a rat duing the bubonic plague.

Anyway, yeah all it takes is a second. So it is very relevent in these mazes.

 

[Skyscraper]

Thing is, you (and others on here) don't know what it's like to have a learning disability that makes you get easily distressed whenever something goes wrong or a place is really crowded etc. If you did, you'd understand.

 

[DistortAMG]

Thing is, you (and others on here) don't know what it's like to have a learning disability that makes you get easily distressed whenever something goes wrong or a place is really crowded etc. If you did, you'd understand.

You are right. But given the circumstances and the current escalation of this national health crisis, do you not think it would be wise to stay away from things that could trigger that, as a temporary measure? Or is putting ones self in a known triggable situation in these times and blaming everyone but yourself the done thing these days?