Six Flags Qiddiya

[Benjsh]

Because it's not safe for anybody now, including straight people....

This doesn't invalidate @tayspru's post at all, if anything it just reinforces the hypocrisy. Especially your final point about it costing "a lot of money to get there after all".

Yeah but the point you're missing is most cred hunters, vloggers and coaster enthusiasts arent really going to stop attending a new park with a world record breaking coaster because of LGBTQ issues unless they fall into that category themselves. Most dont.

Im all for people fighting the good fight but dont criticise people for living their own lives and making their own choices is all im saying. People can go wherever the hell they want and you dont get a say in it ultimately.

 

[GooseOnTheLoose]

Yeah but the point you're missing is most cred hunters, vloggers and coaster enthusiasts arent really going to stop attending a new park with a world record breaking coaster because of LGBTQ issues unless they fall into that category themselves. Most dont.

Im all for people fighting the good fight but dont criticise people for living their own lives and making their own choices is all im saying. People can go wherever the hell they want and you dont get a say in it ultimately.

You know you've accidentally said the quiet part out loud?

The argument that people won't, and by implication, shouldn't, care about the state sanctioned persecution of marginalised groups unless they personally belong to one, is a rather spectacular admission of a complete lack of basic human empathy.

"I'm not gay, and I"m not a modern slave, so why should I care who poured the concrete for this coaster?" is exactly the kind of self serving moral exceptionalism that @tayspru was highlighting in the first place.

I don't get to dictate where anyone
spends their money or takes their holidays. If an enthusiast wishes to fly to a
state that executes people for their sexuality, suppresses women's rights, and
relies on indentured servitude to build its entertainment mega projects, they
are legally free to do so.

Freedom of action doesn't grant immunity from scrutiny though.

If someone decides that their desire to tick off a rollercoaster credit outweighs their objection to human rights abuses, they're free to make that moral compromise, but they can't then clutch their pearls and demand not to be judged for it.

Telling people not to criticise others for "living their own lives", whilst simultaneously funding a regime that literally dictates how its citizens are
permitted to live theirs (often under penalty of death), is irony of the highest
order.

 

[Benjsh]

You know you've accidentally said the quiet part out loud?

The argument that people won't, and by implication, shouldn't, care about the state sanctioned persecution of marginalised groups unless they personally belong to one, is a rather spectacular admission of a complete lack of basic human empathy.

"I'm not gay, and I"m not a modern slave, so why should I care who poured the concrete for this coaster?" is exactly the kind of self serving moral exceptionalism that @tayspru was highlighting in the first place.

I don't get to dictate where anyone
spends their money or takes their holidays. If an enthusiast wishes to fly to a
state that executes people for their sexuality, suppresses women's rights, and
relies on indentured servitude to build its entertainment mega projects, they
are legally free to do so.

Freedom of action doesn't grant immunity from scrutiny though.

If someone decides that their desire to tick off a rollercoaster credit outweighs their objection to human rights abuses, they're free to make that moral compromise, but they can't then clutch their pearls and demand not to be judged for it.

Telling people not to criticise others for "living their own lives", whilst simultaneously funding a regime that literally dictates how its citizens are
permitted to live theirs (often under penalty of death), is irony of the highest
order.

No I have said everything out loud because you're still not getting it and I doubt you ever will do tbh.

These are noble causes to protest about and anyone who does I wouldnt have a problem with. And guess what? The alternative is true too. If somebody decides they want to visit Six Flags Qiddiya to ride a coaster despite these issues then Im fine with that too. Its up to the person themselves to make that call not you and I.

 

[GooseOnTheLoose]

No I have said everything out loud because you're still not getting it and I doubt you ever will do tbh.

These are noble causes to protest about and anyone who does I wouldnt have a problem with. And guess what? The alternative is true too. If somebody decides they want to visit Six Flags Qiddiya to ride a coaster despite these issues then Im fine with that too. Its up to the person themselves to make that call not you and I.

I assure you, I comprehend your argument perfectly. It's just that your argument is the moral equivalent of a shrug.

You're advocating for a state of absolute moral relativism, where handing over tourist pounds to a regime built on indentured servitude, the subjugation of women, and the lethal persecution of minorities is treated with the same ethical weight as choosing between a which pizza to have for lunch.

You're right that it's up to the individual to make that call. Nobody is proposing to physically confiscate the passports of coaster enthusiasts at Heathrow. They possess the legal autonomy to board that flight.

You continue, however, to fundamentally conflate the freedom to make a choice
with freedom from being judged for making it.

If someone exercises their free will to financially support an authoritarian
state simply because they possess a desperate, insatiable need to experience a
very tall piece of steel, they can't demand that the rest of society nods along in respectful, uncritical silence.

You're essentially demanding a safe space for moral apathy. You want people to be able to fund these regimes, and you want them to be able to do it without anyone pointing out how ugly that transaction actually is.

Anyone is perfectly free to buy a ticket. I am perfectly free to point out the blood on the receipt. That's how free speech actually works.

 

[Rob]

I'm not going to move any posts as it follows on from discussion surrounding the impact of decreased international visitor numbers etc., but just a reminder that we have The Morality and Politics Surrounding Visiting Specific Theme Parks thread for such discussion, so can I please ask that any continued discussion regarding that takes place there and we use this thread for discussion about the park now and going forward.

Thank you!

 

[tayspru]

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