UK Politics General Discussion

[Dave]

Have we just seen, twice in two days with new trade deals, some actual benefits of Brexit?

No, as the two combined don’t even cover 1% of the 4% drop in GDP from leaving the EU.

 

[rob666]

The devil will be in the details, and we haven't got any at all yet.

 

[Dave]

The devil will be in the details, and we haven't got any at all yet.

The Indian deal will boost GDP by 0.1%

Just to add them up (all the deals)

New Zealand 0.03%
Australia 0.08%
Japan 0.07%
India 0.01%

All other trade deals are to two decimal places 0%

We lost 4% when we left the EU.

The US deal at best reduces the harm of Trumps idiocy, it will minimise GPD losses but won’t boost it.

 

[rob666]

I meant on the american deal...
He changes his mind more often than I change my socks.

 

[Smiley]

I meant on the american deal...
He changes his mind more often than I change my socks.

Not going to happen. I've got Bigly socks and Elon said not to change more than one at a time. I mean, with North Korea and Chei-nna very unstable - very very unstable. Bigly unstable. Marcon might change both of his socks at the same time, but he's leaving the back door open. Someone could come behind him and grab his p***y. Probably sleepy Joe looking for the washroom.

 

[pluk]

No, as the two combined don’t even cover 1% of the 4% drop in GDP from leaving the EU.

I didn't suggest these deals make up for the stupidity that is Brexit, but it is apparent that not being in the EU has meant we have been able to make these deals to our advantage in a way that we wouldn't have been able to if we were still in.

 

[Benzin]

I didn't suggest these deals make up for the stupidity that is Brexit, but it is apparent that not being in the EU has meant we have been able to make these deals to our advantage in a way that we wouldn't have been able to if we were still in.

Depends on defining the advantage.

Though it was funny to see one of the Indian ministers call out Badenoch after she naturally moaned about the deal.

Really wish MPs and Councillers weren't able just to type baseless lies online without any consequence.

 

[Smiley]

Brexit is done. There's no point even discussing it anymore. I look forward to the EU doing a deal with the USA as it will be of benefit to us also. Unless the Walloonians (Walloonies?) block the deal again - problem with trying to get a group of 28 "friends" trying to decide which restaurant to eat at... I imagine the road to be long, with many a winding turn....

 

[Smiley]

but although 60% of people have been persuaded to hate trans folk very few people see it as issue that will impact their voting intention

You speak like a politician. I support biological sex spaces (one of the 60%) and have no view of trans people (esp naked!). They are just people and can live their lives how they wish. I also don't have an issue with anyone using any toilet (a cubicle is a safe space - no?) but my wife might object to seeing a swinging dick in the gym locker room (her mother would faint or have a heart attack). The rights/wishes of trans people should not trample over the rights of the populous.

As for sports, etc. trans people are very welcome to compete in mixed/mens competitions - they don't because they don't have a physical advantage. The disabled community seem to be very happy separating blind people from competing against those who only have 1 leg in the 100m

 

[Dave]

You speak like a politician. I support biological sex spaces (one of the 60%) and have no view of trans people (esp naked!). They are just people and can live their lives how they wish. I also don't have an issue with anyone using any toilet (a cubicle is a safe space - no?) but my wife might object to seeing a swinging dick in the gym locker room (her mother would faint or have a heart attack). The rights/wishes of trans people should not trample over the rights of the populous.

As for sports, etc. trans people are very welcome to compete in mixed/mens competitions - they don't because they don't have a physical advantage. The disabled community seem to be very happy separating blind people from competing against those who only have 1 leg in the 100m

You speak like a reform politician.

A trans woman isn’t swinging a dick around the place, you are mixing up drag with trans there. If someone is transitioning they won’t be making any sort of big deal about their genitalia, and if they have transitioned they don’t have a dick.

The rights of anyone shouldn’t be trampled on, particularly not to satisfy bogus safety concerns.

And as I said in my post I accept there is a debate to be had in sport, I think there are also possible reasons in other sectors to have some limited exemptions. But again it’s not a binary decision, it should be based on science.

 

[Smiley]

You speak like a reform politician.

A trans woman isn’t swinging a dick around the place, you are mixing up drag with trans there. If someone is transitioning they won’t be making any sort of big deal about their genitalia, and if they have transitioned they don’t have a dick.

Touche!! The law is there to protect the many from the few. Not trans people, but people abusing trans rights as they were. So we end up with one "swinging dick" voyeur that makes a claim to being trans/non-binary, and here we are... I don't think separate biological sex spaces is too much to ask, just as I'm comfortable in a German sauna where everyone has everything hanging out (and at my age, that's not a good look!).

Toilets are not naked spaces. Gyms are. At my gym children over 8 are not allowed in the other sex changing rooms. I've always thought that a very sensible rule, and no person I am aware of has ever questioned it. I'm struggling to know how this is different.

 

[rob666]

On many occasions, the law is there to protect the few from the many, not the other way round.