UK Politics General Discussion

[Poisson]

At times, vaccines may well have been safe and useful.

That time is now. It has been since 1796.

I wouldn't care about such views if they didn't destroy herd immunity that protects the weakened, the very old and the very young. The minute people start working against the health of those who cannot take the vaccine themselves or establish an immune response, it becomes a different matter.

 

[Dave]

A strawman. I never said everything man-made is dangerous, or that anything natural is safe. I am simply saying there is pause for thought, surely, before injecting something into the bloodstream.



Regardless, it can fine TV channels, which is why GB News was quick to drop excellent presenters such as Neil Oliver (from broadcast) and Mark Steyn.



At times, vaccines may well have been safe and useful.

The problem is, governments around the world lied to us and continued to encourage a product that was anything but. Those who have tried to prove its deliberate, harmful purpose are either dead or in prison. With that in mind, how can we trust that any substance is what it's purported to be? How can we trust that it has genuinely been tested? I am not saying that people should be anti-vax, but it is easy to understand, surely?

Regardless, this discussion is about media bias, and I am simply saying all views must be heard.

There were no lies about the Covid vaccines, it’s a convenient conspiracy theory trope to say those who have the so called “evidence” are dead or in prison.

Covid vaccines have been proven to be very safe, a lot of “wellness influencers” who are anti vax are just manipulating science or outright lying. The classic one thrown out is myocarditis in young men. A study of 42.8 million people found those vaccinated who then got Covid had a 50% reduced prevalence of myocarditis than unvaccinated people, a further study of 14 million children found those not vaccinated had a far higher chance of blood clotting conditions. Yet as a comparison Vinay Prasad a well known vaccine skeptic influencer actively manipulated his representation of a recent paper to say vaccines increased myocarditis when the paper said the exact opposite….

All the covid vaccines were heavily tested (and they all used vaccine technology already well tested, even mRNA vaccine have been around for a while). The reason the vaccines could be produced quickly was money was thrown at the problem and we had a lot of virus in the community so we could get the sample size needed to prove efficacy and safety much faster than outside a pandemic.

At the end of the day all a vaccine is is a protein we show the immune system so when it sees it again it identifies it quicker. mRNA vaccines just use protein factories in cells to produce the protein, they don’t mess with DNA, they don’t even come close to entering the cell nucleus.

Wellness influencers make millions peddling lies, and now we are seeing horrific infectious diseases we had previously suppressed coming back with a vengeance, honestly I think vaccine conspiracy theorist influencers are murderers.

 

[jon81uk]

Wellness influencers make millions peddling lies, and now we are seeing horrific infectious diseases we had previously suppressed coming back with a vengeance, honestly I think vaccine conspiracy theorist influencers are murderers.

Yes in a similar way to if a cult encourages people to take their own life, should cult-like conspiracy influencers be held more accountable for deaths as herd immunity drops?

 

[Benzin]

Yes in a similar way to if a cult encourages people to take their own life, should cult-like conspiracy influencers be held more accountable for deaths as herd immunity drops?

You mean people should face the consequences of their actions?

Chance would be a fine thing in this day and age. They end up getting martyred and continue on their grifting trail to squeeze more money out of those desperate enough for a solution.

 

[Dave]

What amazes me is the same scientific principles that say vaccines are safe and effective also creates the treatments the same people refusing vaccines rush to on a daily basis.

I once asked an anti-vaxer if they refuse paracetamol for a headache and they looked at me
Incredulous. When I pointed out paracetamol regularly causes abdominal pain, constipation and a rash and rarely causes liver failure, kidney failure and Steven’s-Johnson syndrome they suddenly changed the subject….