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Thorpe Park 2017: DBGT: Rise of The Demon
I'd say opening 2016 would be acceptable, but I wouldn't be toon suprised if that failed tbh...Will they ever learn? They'll get a second load of angry customers now, they should of just kept it as opening soon...
RyanY
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I'd say opening 2016 would be acceptable, but I wouldn't be toon suprised if that failed tbh...
They should of followed the example of Phantasialand with Taron, although it's nice to have an opening date, at least if people have made plans to visit they can't blame the park because they haven't said the rides going to be open.
I just wish parks could open there new rides when the season actually starts.
AliceHL91
TS Member
That's interesting. Can you elaborate or is that all you know?I heard a rumour the delays are because Derren isn't happy with it.
Rick
TS Member
Boo hiss Merlin etc. It's opening late etc, I don't have the energy to get upset about it.
One might suggest they might actually have learned from the last time, they opened Sub Terra barely completed and then spent the rest of the reason trying to sort it out with various additions and the like.
Merlin, Thorpe & Derren Brown have some reputation to uphold with this, I think it's right for them to wait rather than allow a multi-million pound investment open unfinished.
One might suggest they might actually have learned from the last time, they opened Sub Terra barely completed and then spent the rest of the reason trying to sort it out with various additions and the like.
Merlin, Thorpe & Derren Brown have some reputation to uphold with this, I think it's right for them to wait rather than allow a multi-million pound investment open unfinished.
RyanY
TS Member
One might suggest they might actually have learned from the last time, they opened Sub Terra barely completed and then spent the rest of the reason trying to sort it out with various additions and the like.
Merlin, Thorpe & Derren Brown have some reputation to uphold with this, I think it's right for them to wait rather than allow a multi-million pound investment open unfinished.
The problem here isn't that the ride is delayed, if they'd not released an opening date and this had happened then nobody would have had to know and people wouldn't have made special plans to visit to be one of the first to ride.
The issue I and many other have with this is that they've twice released an opening date and they've failed to meet it twice. This means people have booked time off work and booked hotels and spent a decent amount of money with the confirmation from the park that the ride will be open, and now they've been let down again. And this isn't the first time Merlin have done this.
Rick
TS Member
I follow what you're saying entirely @RyanY . Thorpe were obviously confident the ride was going to open on the previously announced dates, but stuff happens, you just have to move on from it.
"Summer" would be the alternative and although it's far easier to meet that as timescale, it doesn't particularly aid people in booking time off work or a hotel room.
I get it, it's frustrating, but whatever. If I go and it's closed, still whatever.
"Summer" would be the alternative and although it's far easier to meet that as timescale, it doesn't particularly aid people in booking time off work or a hotel room.
I get it, it's frustrating, but whatever. If I go and it's closed, still whatever.
James
TS Founding Member
Haven't they (Thorpe) already said a few times the ride has been delayed due to creative reasons.
If the ride has been delayed due to creative reasons I think this can only be a good thing, at least they want this to open looking high quality with no corners cut. Dark rides are very hard to get right. Just look back at rides like Haunted House and Hex... all rides that when opened weren't perfect and had many changes over the first few months of operating. The only way I could say Merlin approach dark rides the wrong way is that they expect the final product to be it, the ride opens and nothing changes. They did this with Sub-Terra and look at what happened there, Merlin Studios were pretty much dragged across the floor to come and fix it. Historically dark rides don't reach a final form until many months after opening, there's a process involved when the ride opens of what works and what doesn't work in reality rather than on paper. Merlin seem to try to stick to what's on paper and then leave it at that.
I think perhaps Merlin need to stop with announcing opening dates, and go for vague opening times, so say coming Spring 2016. Then nearer the time when an opening date is more clear make an announcement of an opening date. It is worrying that they seem incapable to reach opening dates though, Tussauds managed it a lot of the time (they weren't perfect, but they got it right more), Merlin have consistently failed over 8 years when it comes to major projects.
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If the ride has been delayed due to creative reasons I think this can only be a good thing, at least they want this to open looking high quality with no corners cut. Dark rides are very hard to get right. Just look back at rides like Haunted House and Hex... all rides that when opened weren't perfect and had many changes over the first few months of operating. The only way I could say Merlin approach dark rides the wrong way is that they expect the final product to be it, the ride opens and nothing changes. They did this with Sub-Terra and look at what happened there, Merlin Studios were pretty much dragged across the floor to come and fix it. Historically dark rides don't reach a final form until many months after opening, there's a process involved when the ride opens of what works and what doesn't work in reality rather than on paper. Merlin seem to try to stick to what's on paper and then leave it at that.
I think perhaps Merlin need to stop with announcing opening dates, and go for vague opening times, so say coming Spring 2016. Then nearer the time when an opening date is more clear make an announcement of an opening date. It is worrying that they seem incapable to reach opening dates though, Tussauds managed it a lot of the time (they weren't perfect, but they got it right more), Merlin have consistently failed over 8 years when it comes to major projects.
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bluesonichd
TS Member
we promise it will be worth the waitThorpe Park said:This afternoon we took the Ghost Train for a spin, and the truth is we are just not happy with a few show elements of the attraction and we will not open up the experience until it’s ready. We know you’re all desperate to get on board, please bear with us and we promise it will be worth the wait.
If you say so Thorpe Park
Plastic Person
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Merlin, Thorpe & Derren Brown have some reputation to uphold with this, I think it's right for them to wait rather than allow a multi-million pound investment open unfinished.
I suspect Derren's involvement is the sole reason this hasn't opened yet. Third party IPs can be difficult to please, especially those as meticulous as Brown. I haven't heard any 'rumours', and I'm not as cynical towards Merlin as most on this thread, but I do think it'd be open if it were simply 'The Ghost Train'. As it happens, it's not, so we'll just need to wait in good faith.
Saying that, it was a bad idea to announce an opening date full stop.
AliceHL91
TS Member
I wouldn't had made plans to visit on such a vague opening timeframe of "end of May" anyway. That made it clear to me from the start that it wouldn't be open this month.
Having said that they already let me down once this months so I'm not making any plans to get down there till it's already open.
Having said that they already let me down once this months so I'm not making any plans to get down there till it's already open.
Surely this is a good thing though. Yes, it's late opening but (if the rumour is true) it will be good quality. Maybe it'll put merlin off ips in generalI suspect Derren's involvement is the sole reason this hasn't opened yet. Third party IPs can be difficult to please, especially those as meticulous as Brown. I haven't heard any 'rumours', and I'm not as cynical towards Merlin as most on this thread, but I do think it'd be open if it were simply 'The Ghost Train'. As it happens, it's not, so we'll just need to wait in good faith.
Saying that, it was a bad idea to announce an opening date full stop.
DiogoJ42
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I wouldn't get your hopes up. Most of their IP based rides have had problems of some sort. The failed Shrek Towers attraction leaps to mind.Maybe it'll put merlin off ips in general![]()
Rick
TS Member
It's now fundamental to their corporate strategy to pursue the use of IPs, they've said as much.Has merlin actually managed to do either an IP or a dark ride that didn't have problems/just been bad?