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[2024] Nemesis Reborn: Construction and Speculation

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Are there any photos anywhere of the original 1994 parts with the code on?
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Not to my knowledge, but B&M labelled pieces of the new Hulk with “SC-CR” when “SC-C” was known to be the original code, so it can be ascertained that “R” being added onto the end of the original track code alludes to a retrack of that ride.
 
Matt N said:
Not to my knowledge, but B&M labelled pieces of the new Hulk with “SC-CR” when “SC-C” was known to be the original code, so it can be ascertained that “R” being added onto the end of the original track code alludes to a retrack of that ride.
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What if they retrack it again in future? Will it be SC-CRR? 5 more retracks and it will be SC-CRRRRRR
 
Can we try and stay on topic here, as we're stretching into what-ifs that are only possibly decades into the future and nothing to do with the current project.

We're getting 2-3 pages of discussion every day on this topic, and a lot of it is just a repeat of what's been already said. So if we could try and keep it as constructive and on topic as possible it'd be appreciated:
  • We can be almost 100% sure that the track at the B&M plant is for Nemesis due to the markings seen which have been proven to be correct on previous rides, the timing of it being produced and also the coaster types we know are currently under construction by B&M. It's been established beyond reasonable doubt what the markings mean, and we don't need to start going into hypothetical naming conventions for something that only might happen in 30 years!
  • Yes, the track looks to be black. No, it's not an undercoat as you wouldn't go painting over it in beige/white due to the quality of the glossy finish seen. We've now had pages of discussion on this and it's not really going anywhere. As others have suggested, there may be things added to it later, but I think we can now safely say the primary colour of this track is clearly black, so let's move on from that.
This is a discussion forum and as such people are entitled to their own personal opinion on any potential changes to Nemesis. You may not agree with them or the strength of feeling they may have, but that's why it's an opinion. You're free to respond with constructive replies countering their points, but replies such as "get a life" or stating they're not entitled to be critical are not acceptable.

And finally, if you're new to the topic or are popping in after a day or two, please at least take time to read the previous few pages rather than jumping straight in. I would not expect people to remember or read all 152 pages of discussion, but often points have been covered multiple times despite the posts sometimes being mere hours apart.

It's a long closed season, and it's an even longer stretch to the ride's reopening in 2024. Let's try and keep this discussion as constructive as possible!
 
Out of interest, how does the Nemesis comic, which first introduced the Phalanx in 1994, connect to the original story of the track being Nemesis' tentacles and the trains being the 'exploratory organs'?
 
zeock said:
Out of interest, how does the Nemesis comic, which first introduced the Phalanx in 1994, connect to the original story of the track being Nemesis' tentacles and the trains being the 'exploratory organs'?
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It wasnt introduced with the ride, it was made in 1995 and I dont think it was sold for long.

Written by a comic book writer whose name I forget, who based on the ride theme but on a big tangent to suit a comic book. Sort of like a fan fiction. Phalanx was never part of the original ride but first used in Sub Terra.
 
Irrespective of track colour and the numerous other alleged issues with Nemesis 2.0, if John Wardley is involved, I have total faith in this project.

I do not believe that JW would allow his greatest creation to be sullied in any way.

I'm. Optimistic, and I'm expecting greatness.

I judge people on their previous form.

JW will not let us down!
 
Altonadvocate1 said:
Irrespective of track colour and the numerous other alleged issues with Nemesis 2.0, if John Wardley is involved, I have total faith in this project.

I do not believe that JW would allow his greatest creation to be sullied in any way.

I'm. Optimistic, and I'm expecting greatness.

I judge people on their previous form.

JW will not let us down!
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In reality I don’t think John wardley has much involvement in this project. He’s obviously been a part of the farewell and other marketing aspects of it all, but I’d imagine that a team of very skilled people led by John Burton are the driving force in this whole thing. I do think we cling to John Wardley a bit too much in the uk industry.

I’m in no way saying he shouldn’t be involved or respected, but let’s open our eyes more to the talent coming through the ranks and accept that John is pretty much fully retired now and has handed the baton to others.
 
Altonadvocate1 said:
Irrespective of track colour and the numerous other alleged issues with Nemesis 2.0, if John Wardley is involved, I have total faith in this project.

I do not believe that JW would allow his greatest creation to be sullied in any way.

I'm. Optimistic, and I'm expecting greatness.

I judge people on their previous form.

JW will not let us down!
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The thing is, though, that John's role in both Nemesis 2.0 and Duel 2.0 is likely to be a lot smaller than many think. From what he's said at enthusiast events and such, his modern role within Merlin is more to offer helpful advice from the sidelines rather than being a lead creative.

As such, I don't see him overriding Merlin Magic Making too much. He's unlikely to be in a position to take the helm to a great degree.
 
Matt N said:
The thing is, though, that John's role in both Nemesis 2.0 and Duel 2.0 is likely to be a lot smaller than many think. From what he's said at enthusiast events and such, his modern role within Merlin is more to offer helpful advice from the sidelines rather than being a lead creative.

As such, I don't see him overriding Merlin Magic Making too much. He's unlikely to be in a position to take the helm to a great degree.
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But in a similar vein, he did manage to have enough power to modify Wicker Man's first drop after it had already been signed off, so the Merlin Magic Making gang clearly do very much value his opinion - I think that, even though he's officially retired, he does still hold a significant amount of influence.
 
We keep hearing this John will save the day stuff in other threads as well. Most of us have jobs where our influence can only go so far. I've just left work and I'm fully ashamed of what I've left behind me, but the reasons behind that are not my fault. They're business decisions from other people and I've done everything I can, even if I am ashamed of the end result.

I'm sure there's some influence from John and that most are listening to him. But ultimately things like £multimillion projects aren't decided by one person. Merlin haven't given the guy a blank cheque book to do what ever he wants. I'm sure his influence will be all over this and that there will be people at MMM who are sitting there starry eyed listening intently. I'm sure the respect for him means he's allowed to push things through that few others can't. But he won't be pulling all the levers. Big businesses just doesn't work like that.
 
Matt.GC said:
We keep hearing this John will save the day stuff in other threads as well. Most of us have jobs where our influence can only go so far. I've just left work and I'm fully ashamed of what I've left behind me, but the reasons behind that are not my fault. They're business decisions from other people and I've done everything I can, even if I am ashamed of the end result.

I'm sure there's some influence from John and that most are listening to him. But ultimately things like £multimillion projects aren't decided by one person. Merlin haven't given the guy a blank cheque book to do what ever he wants. I'm sure his influence will be all over this and that there will be people at MMM who are sitting there starry eyed listening intently. I'm sure the respect for him means he's allowed to push things through that few others can't. But he won't be pulling all the levers. Big businesses just doesn't work like that.
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Oh yeah certainly, i’m not saying that he’s the sole person responsible for the project, but as the original creator i’m sure they’ll be even more willing to work alongside him and hear out his ideas than they were for a project like Wicker Man which, in hindsight, he actually had very little input in. However, the way Wicker Man turned out with very little input from John Wardley is very promising. Yeah, TWoDW was a bit of a failure (unsure if it was a commercial failure, but it was definitely poorly executed), but I wonder how much of that was down to budget constraints.

I’m sure the Nemesis refurb will have a much larger budget than TWoDW had. John Wardley seems to have a lot of faith and respect for John Burton, and that in itself should be a pretty good indicator into the man’s creative mindset.
 
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