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The Brexit Thread

BarryZola said:
I know it's all good fun saying these things but I don't know anyone who voted for Brexit to get a blue passport or for sovereignty. Most people I know were more interested in trying to limit immigration and foreign workers keeping wages down. You don't need to tell me about how unsuccessful these hopes were at this point, and we've done the debate to death hundreds of times, but they were the things that seemed to crop up with people I know.
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Your words are reassuring. It's a pity that the genuine hopes people had/still have (?) appear unworkable in reality.

I would also add that I take no fun in any of this. Anything but.
 
While I hate Brexit and ultimately this Dover delay has been caused by Brexit. 3 years in I think it more the fault of the government.

We left...a while ago now. The fact they haven't put any processes in place to deal mitigate these issues, is frankly shocking.
 
DistortAMG said:
While I hate Brexit and ultimately this Dover delay has been caused by Brexit. 3 years in I think it more the fault of the government.

We left...a while ago now. The fact they haven't put any processes in place to deal mitigate these issues, is frankly shocking.
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There isn’t much that can be done, there is no space at Dover to expand the size of the passport control area. It’s going to get worse when the EU start requiring biometric checks.
 
DistortAMG said:
While I hate Brexit and ultimately this Dover delay has been caused by Brexit. 3 years in I think it more the fault of the government.

We left...a while ago now. The fact they haven't put any processes in place to deal mitigate these issues, is frankly shocking.
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Main course of action has been to kick the can down the road hoping something will work itself out rather than do anything to solve the issues.

Also sticking fingers in their ears and shouting "LALALALA NOTHING TO DO WITH BREXIT" like Braverman did yesterday.
 
Very strange supplier situation, I have seen no tomato shortage in my local supermarkets all year.
Better find a better excuse...the owner does not wish to pay the going rate.
 
Tomatoes aren't even particularly expensive at the mo, have fallen from the peak as the UK supply starts to come on line.

Giving false brexit excuses for non brexit issues just undermines the legitimate issues raised.
 
Tory Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg, who introduced the bill when he was in government, called the move an "admission of administrative failure".

More like an admission that Brexit was never feasible or workable. All this time, and therefore money, spent on having to go through EU laws, make new laws to replace them, debate them etc. Good job this country isn't facing any more pressing issues right now... oh!
 
Rob said:
Tory Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg, who introduced the bill when he was in government, called the move an "admission of administrative failure".

More like an admission that Brexit was never feasible or workable. All this time, and therefore money, spent on having to go through EU laws, make new laws to replace them, debate them etc. Good job this country isn't facing any more pressing issues right now... oh!
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It's a very complicated issue, and quite comical that Jacob is calling this failure, a failure of Rishi to be honest with the public. The narrative Jacob is pushing it that Whitehall staff are un-motivated to do the work required, which is why a deadline is required. I am not sure this is entirely honest either, but makes a good headline. Surprise he is not blaming the EU for the delay :p

Just under 5,000 laws need to be reviewed. I dont know how long a law takes to write or review them, but just look at the new police laws which got rushed through, and how they have lead to questions being asked about them.

Crazy to think this vote took place almost seven years ago, and we are still no better off for it.
 
From the BBC website about our food prices at the moment:

www.bbc.co.uk

Why food bills aren't shrinking - five things to know

Prices in the shops remain much higher than a year ago, despite falls in energy and food costs.
www.bbc.co.uk


4. Prices may be lower than in the rest of Europe

With Brexit adding to the red tape of importing food, are we paying more for our food than shoppers in the EU?
A study by economist Michael Saunders for research body Oxford Economics says not.

Looking at a range of food and drink, he says UK prices are typically 7% below the EU average - with bread, meat and fish in particular relatively cheap. He says the UK's competitive supermarket sector plays a role in keeping prices down.

By contrast, he says that prior to 2015, on average groceries were more expensive in the UK than in the EU - partly reflecting the relatively small influence of the lower cost retailers such as Aldi and Lidl at that point.
 
GaryH said:
From the BBC website about our food prices at the moment:

www.bbc.co.uk

Why food bills aren't shrinking - five things to know

Prices in the shops remain much higher than a year ago, despite falls in energy and food costs.
www.bbc.co.uk


4. Prices may be lower than in the rest of Europe

With Brexit adding to the red tape of importing food, are we paying more for our food than shoppers in the EU?
A study by economist Michael Saunders for research body Oxford Economics says not.

Looking at a range of food and drink, he says UK prices are typically 7% below the EU average - with bread, meat and fish in particular relatively cheap. He says the UK's competitive supermarket sector plays a role in keeping prices down.

By contrast, he says that prior to 2015, on average groceries were more expensive in the UK than in the EU - partly reflecting the relatively small influence of the lower cost retailers such as Aldi and Lidl at that point.
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I think your missing the point here? Some products might well be cheaper, but most are not. Furthermore you fail to notice it's not only food prices that people are claiming have gone up since Brexit. Overall it's been proven our economy has shrunk and isn't slated to grow as fast as it would've done had we been in the EU. As we have recently started normalising relations with the EU, they've managed to agree some deals on finance and the like which might just scrape us by. The quicker we can get a closer agreement with Europe the better for our economy long term.
 
It depends what question you ask. If you ask whether Brexit has been more of a success or more a failure, then only 9% say it's going well and 62% think it's more of a failure. 20% are unsure (perhaps still thinking you can polish a turd).

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Even people who voted Leave are almost twice as likely to say it's gone badly rather than gone well (37% vs 20%)

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