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Disneyland Paris: General Discussion

I must admit, I’m interested to see what some of the bigger coasters at DLP ride like when I visit in June.

I last went in 2011, and I only rode Big Thunder Mountain, Crush and RC Racer at the time due to a mix of not being tall enough (Space Mountain and Indiana Jones) and being too dissuaded by comments from someone I went to primary school with (Rock’n’Rollercoaster). I’m curious to see how DLP’s thrill coasters ride, as well as some of the stuff I did before 15 years on!

However, I’m possibly most excited for Tower of Terror, as someone who absolutely loved the Florida version in 2019!
 
Benjsh said:
It would require a complete re-track as well as new trains in order for it to become a special coaster again in my opinion. OTSR's just arent very good on these coasters.
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I agree with this statement, but I also don't think a complete re-track is out of the question. The rides over 30 years old now. Which makes it older than Space Mountain in California was when it received a complete re-track.

And presuming Vekoma do the re-track I'm sure it wouldn't be a like for like re-track with the old rib cage track from the 90s. But their new sleek track that's proved to be very popular.
You could argue that now would be the perfect time to call in Vekoma given how successful their recent coaster designs have been.
 
If they replace it with an all new track design, I think that's stretching the definition of "retrack".
 
The new Space Mountain at Tokyo is what's needed. There's more chance of actual pigs flying though than that happening to the Paris version.
 
Tim said:
I agree with this statement, but I also don't think a complete re-track is out of the question. The rides over 30 years old now. Which makes it older than Space Mountain in California was when it received a complete re-track.

And presuming Vekoma do the re-track I'm sure it wouldn't be a like for like re-track with the old rib cage track from the 90s. But their new sleek track that's proved to be very popular.
You could argue that now would be the perfect time to call in Vekoma given how successful their recent coaster designs have been.
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they wouldn't be able to do that though, the older rib cage track uses very low trains and riders effectively sit inside the track,

The track is very intertwined and likely to have low clearances,
The newer rides however sit very high above the track, whilst the track is a bit thinner they are still quite a bit taller compared to the older rib style track

here is the track layout:
 
Ok so maybe those two models are too different to simply swap between. But I still maintain they wouldn't use an outdated track design when they do the replacement.

Perfect case in point: Eurosat. When it was re-tracked it went from a no spine track to a webed spine. And that's despite similar moments of very tight clearance. They actually improved the clearance with the new design, which is a shame as we lost some insane everything chopper moments.
There are pictures of the old and new track you can find online but I'm having trouble embedding the images.

And I'm fairly sure they did the same with the California Space Mountain, although as that was done in 2005 I'm finding it difficult to find before images to confirm. RCDB does show the new track going in and like with Eurosat it has a far more chunky spine than I assume the original had.

Tokyo could if they wanted to have re-tracked their Space Mountain in exactly the same way as Disneyland did (given that their ride is a copy). Instead they chose to build a completely new Mountain because they didn't want to just be a copy any more. What they wanted was something unique, no doubt inspired by our very unique version in Paris!
 
Bowser said:
The Olaf animatronic is absolutely incredible!

I wonder how it will be used, whether it will be a queue to meet or random appearances (it's also in the lake show).


From: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gDeqV6dlrs
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If that four hour Defunctland video on Disney's "Living Characters" initiative taught me anything, it would be that these high tech walk-around characters don't have to appear regularly to appeal to investors and shareholders.

One could think of the erratic and unpredictable appearances of BDX droids, of course, which provides no detriment to their appearances on promotional material and discussion on investor calls.

I'd hope this is a turning point but Disney is likely more focused on their relationship with NVIDIA than establishing these bits of kit in the guest experience, which between frequent mobbings and poor guest behavior, seems like a problem even Disney's deep pockets can't fund nor their prestigious employees can figure out.

Josh is a new leaf, certainly more of a parks guy than Iger or Chapek, so I suppose time will tell if the French are permitted our icy miniature Josh Gad. I'm not confident.
 
JakeDLP said:
someone who's regularly accurate when it comes to providing information on Disneyland Paris, you aren't required to believe me haha but as far as I'm aware this is the current plan
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Closing in the summer seems unlikely but then if it was 2 years that's moot, which brings me to my second question.... why would a retrack take 2 years?

Nemesis and Hulk were retracked in a year. Python (a not dissimilar Vekoma) was retracked in 12 weeks!

Appreciate being indoors might make it more difficult (though has weather benefits) but also historically Disney tend to do phased retracks on major attractions to prevent such long downtime in peak periods.
 
Bowser said:
Closing in the summer seems unlikely but then if it was 2 years that's moot, which brings me to my second question.... why would a retrack take 2 years?

Nemesis and Hulk were retracked in a year. Python (a not dissimilar Vekoma) was retracked in 12 weeks!

Appreciate being indoors might make it more difficult (though has weather benefits) but also historically Disney tend to do phased retracks on major attractions to prevent such long downtime in peak periods.
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By summer I mean like september-ish so after the Holidays and then to open sometime in early 2029, There's a sizeable refurbishment project in the works that has already started with ratatouille, next will be crush's coaster which will close this september until July next year, BTM will close for the first half of 2027, Tower of Terror at some point in 2028- early 2029 and peter pan too, so it might not be precicely two years but there's a large show overhall in the works too
 
AT86 said:
Because, Disney.
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I think it's because sections of the dome would maybe need removing, and subsequently putting back, and major works should be done to the queue to enhance the experience, I think being indoors prevents them from doing it in phases too as it would be too much having to close and reopen sections of the building
 
JakeDLP said:
I think it's because sections of the dome would maybe need removing, and subsequently putting back, and major works should be done to the queue to enhance the experience, I think being indoors prevents them from doing it in phases too as it would be too much having to close and reopen sections of the building
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yeah, this is the reason it takes a while, probably not having to dismantle the building (although depends how easy it is to remove the hard canvas) but because often indoor rides are built, then the building iuf built arround them (there are times when this hasn't happened) this means the building isn't made to have the cranes, etc to remove and replace the track making it a nightmare to plan and move each part.
 
Rough start for Frozen yesterday as despite being a thoroughly tested clone ride, it spent almost half the day closed for technical errors:


So the opening day went anything but flawless - and that is to put it mildly. Frozen Ever After was closed 47.5 percent of the time between park opening and closing. In other words, the darkride was at a standstill for almost half the day. Only 52.5 percent of the time the attraction was actually operational.
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De openingsdag van de nieuwe attractie Frozen Ever After in Disneyland Paris is behoorlijk moeizaam verlopen. Het grote publiek kon vandaag voor het...
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