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imanautie
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Kind of like energy but not quite.
This post explains it nicely https://autisticmama.com/what-is-spoon-theory/
Jonathan
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It’s an autism thing. Think of it like someone’s got a certain amount of ‘spoonfuls’ of energy for a day.
imanautie
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Well general disability, not just autistics.
imanautie
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If we can't even get enforcement on public transport we have no hope in general.
No, I can 100% tell you right now, that is not happening with me.
In a normal world, germs are a problem for me, I probably do more to prevent myself getting a cold than the average person. So my protocols, while extreme to some, is what makes me feel better about all this.
If I just went around touching multiple items, then simply used hand gel, before eating a pack of crisps, to me I wouldn't feel safe. I know hand gels must be the right thing to use, although initially it seemed it was only soap and water that we were being told that worked, maybe to encourage general hand washing (which I hope will continue). As I said, I have issues anyway.
If you imagine a human doing an impression of a penguin, that's me. As soon as my gloved hands touch something that isn't in my house, or I haven't had the chance to wash or quarantine it for several days, my hands don't even come near my body, if they do, that item of clothing goes straight into the wash, or I remove it if I can, or I sit very awkwardly all the way home and don't touch that area.
If I get hair in my face that I can't brush away using a clean part of my body, such as my arm, then I either put up with it, or get someone else to do it for me. If my glasses slip down my nose, if I can't move them back up without using my hands, the same thing happens. When I'm out shopping, only one of us touches things, so someone always has clean hands.
I'm that paranoid about even my clothes touching a surface that may have COVID-19 on it, I've actually stopped wearing flappy clothing so as I bend down into a trolley for example, not even my clothing touches the outside. I'm aware the risk for this is small, but it's what I'm doing.
I am 100% happy to admit all this is overly cautious, and I wouldn't recommend it at all for most people, but most people aren't me.
My hands can transmit COVID-19 just like gloves. When I've touched all the items, put them in my bags, the gloves come off. Bacterial wipe used, then gel, as I said mainly to remove the powder. At home, I unpack everything, remove all the packaging (someone else takes out the clean contents from the packaging), wash items, or put them away somewhere for five days (more than the 72 hours I know). After I'm done outside (because these things don't even come into the house), I then wash my hands thoroughly after someone else has put the taps on and dispensed the soap for me.
This has happened all the way through lockdown regarding items from a supermarket, and going out more means this continues but now there is more stuff being brought into the house that I either can't wash or to be quite honest don't want the hassle of washing. So we're moving towards quarantining things now, which to be honest I never would have imagined happening in April, so maybe one day soon - and I've already spoken about this in regards visiting Blackpool Pleasure Beach - I will stop using the gloves and trust the hand gels do what they're obviously doing for everyone else.
Mum definitely thinks I'm over the top and that's fine. There have been argument over it, and quite frankly tears. There has been very little I've had control over regarding this, so this makes me feel like I'm doing something, and it's not for the fun of it - I'd like to go back to a world where I'm bothered hearing someone coughing because I could catch a cold - but to keep me and my family as safe as we can.
As I said, I do have issues normally, so waking up one day to find myself in what turned into a pandemic..... I either could sit around all day and cry or I make the best of it. I am actually surprise I took the latter route because of previous "pandemics" (that never actually materialised) and how they affected me.
So I understand what you're saying, and you are in more of a position to comment regarding gloves and their uses etc, but just as no doubt people have been using hand gels for weeks and are perfectly fine, we've been using gloves and our measures have been working out fine as well.
As I said, I can see that probably changing, It would be nice to be able to pick things up and not wear gloves and also to not be contributing to what will mostly likely be an environmental disaster with all the gloves and masks etc that have been used.
@RoyJess - That is exactly it! You could be on a deserted path on an island with only you and four others and those four other would find you. It's absolutely true! We were at Warwick Castle for the gardens, and there was this huge path, two women were ahead of us by about 8 metres walking in the middle of the path. We decided (with eight metres between us) to walk alongside the path on the grass. As we got nearer to the women (we were walking faster then they were), they suddenly started to turn and the next minute, they were right there cutting in front of us. We had stayed on a straight course, and they moved from the middle of the path to walk right by us. To be fair, they were going downhill at this point, I did argue maybe gravity took its toll.....
They look so handy. Normally to open doors (pre-COVID-19) I'd use a tissue to touch the handle if I was leaving the loo as I don't trust most people to wash their hands. Might have to look into getting some of those.
I can assure you that you are doing all the correct protocols with regards to Covid-19. I've gone all OCD (which is very much unlike me in general) with regards to bringing any items from the outside world into our home. Bear in mind that we are shielding and Jess is unable to wash her hands every five minutes, so we sanitise anything that comes into our home. Also if I go out the front or touch anything from outside the front, I treat it like it has contagion and my hands are kept away from my body and won't touch anything else until they have been washed. I've learn't to use the back of my hands/elbows to open and closed doors and turn on and off taps etc.. Every thing that comes into our home is either quarantine for a week (not excessive as this is what the hospitals do with any thank you gifts given to them, after a week of quarantine you have the green light that they are safe to handle), if I can remove the outer packaging safely or use disinfectant, then there is no need for them to go into quarantine. I've a room marked out with 7 areas marked from Monday to Sunday, so I can keep a tab on when something is safe to come out of quarantine. Sound excessive? No, I've spoken to a few people in health care as they wanted to pay us a visit to service some of Jess' medical equipment and they said that we are doing all the things that we are supposed to do with this pandemic, many shielders are following the similar procedures and that way, we are keeping on top of Covid-19.
Once this is all over, I will go back to just basic hygiene methods as it is good to pick up some germs on a daily basis to build up the immune system. Eliminating germs altogether can actually be bad for you. Basic hygiene is just there to control the amount of germs entering your body so that your body don't get overwhelmed by germs.
With regards to people aiming for you, Jess and I thought it was just us because Jess was being targeted for being in a wheelchair. I can park Jess on the seafront, the widest path possible and people walking pass will approach on the path furthest away from us, as they pass they would deviate towards us and once passed, they will move out again away from where we are, it's like as if Jess' wheelchair possessed a people magnet. For medical reasons, Jess is not allowed to be knocked or touched, and even when people do get too close to her, even if they are not touching her, her limbs go into an involuntary spasm which causes harm to her.
Dave
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No, I can 100% tell you right now, that is not happening with me.
In a normal world, germs are a problem for me, I probably do more to prevent myself getting a cold than the average person. So my protocols, while extreme to some, is what makes me feel better about all this.
If I just went around touching multiple items, then simply used hand gel, before eating a pack of crisps, to me I wouldn't feel safe. I know hand gels must be the right thing to use, although initially it seemed it was only soap and water that we were being told that worked, maybe to encourage general hand washing (which I hope will continue). As I said, I have issues anyway.
If you imagine a human doing an impression of a penguin, that's me. As soon as my gloved hands touch something that isn't in my house, or I haven't had the chance to wash or quarantine it for several days, my hands don't even come near my body, if they do, that item of clothing goes straight into the wash, or I remove it if I can, or I sit very awkwardly all the way home and don't touch that area.
If I get hair in my face that I can't brush away using a clean part of my body, such as my arm, then I either put up with it, or get someone else to do it for me. If my glasses slip down my nose, if I can't move them back up without using my hands, the same thing happens. When I'm out shopping, only one of us touches things, so someone always has clean hands.
I'm that paranoid about even my clothes touching a surface that may have COVID-19 on it, I've actually stopped wearing flappy clothing so as I bend down into a trolley for example, not even my clothing touches the outside. I'm aware the risk for this is small, but it's what I'm doing.
I am 100% happy to admit all this is overly cautious, and I wouldn't recommend it at all for most people, but most people aren't me.
My hands can transmit COVID-19 just like gloves. When I've touched all the items, put them in my bags, the gloves come off. Bacterial wipe used, then gel, as I said mainly to remove the powder. At home, I unpack everything, remove all the packaging (someone else takes out the clean contents from the packaging), wash items, or put them away somewhere for five days (more than the 72 hours I know). After I'm done outside (because these things don't even come into the house), I then wash my hands thoroughly after someone else has put the taps on and dispensed the soap for me.
This has happened all the way through lockdown regarding items from a supermarket, and going out more means this continues but now there is more stuff being brought into the house that I either can't wash or to be quite honest don't want the hassle of washing. So we're moving towards quarantining things now, which to be honest I never would have imagined happening in April, so maybe one day soon - and I've already spoken about this in regards visiting Blackpool Pleasure Beach - I will stop using the gloves and trust the hand gels do what they're obviously doing for everyone else.
Mum definitely thinks I'm over the top and that's fine. There have been argument over it, and quite frankly tears. There has been very little I've had control over regarding this, so this makes me feel like I'm doing something, and it's not for the fun of it - I'd like to go back to a world where I'm bothered hearing someone coughing because I could catch a cold - but to keep me and my family as safe as we can.
As I said, I do have issues normally, so waking up one day to find myself in what turned into a pandemic..... I either could sit around all day and cry or I make the best of it. I am actually surprise I took the latter route because of previous "pandemics" (that never actually materialised) and how they affected me.
So I understand what you're saying, and you are in more of a position to comment regarding gloves and their uses etc, but just as no doubt people have been using hand gels for weeks and are perfectly fine, we've been using gloves and our measures have been working out fine as well.
As I said, I can see that probably changing, It would be nice to be able to pick things up and not wear gloves and also to not be contributing to what will mostly likely be an environmental disaster with all the gloves and masks etc that have been used.
@RoyJess - That is exactly it! You could be on a deserted path on an island with only you and four others and those four other would find you. It's absolutely true! We were at Warwick Castle for the gardens, and there was this huge path, two women were ahead of us by about 8 metres walking in the middle of the path. We decided (with eight metres between us) to walk alongside the path on the grass. As we got nearer to the women (we were walking faster then they were), they suddenly started to turn and the next minute, they were right there cutting in front of us. We had stayed on a straight course, and they moved from the middle of the path to walk right by us. To be fair, they were going downhill at this point, I did argue maybe gravity took its toll.....
They look so handy. Normally to open doors (pre-COVID-19) I'd use a tissue to touch the handle if I was leaving the loo as I don't trust most people to wash their hands. Might have to look into getting some of those.
The other issue with gloves is you help spread the virus for other people, if you are not cleaning your hands regularly and using gloves you have two transmission vectors that may not impact you (still suspect if someone filmed you, you would be shocked by what you touch) but help spread the virus to other people.
Doing the Beach Thursday, I was determined to only touch my beer after entry...
Failed four times, needless banisters, bar top, Streak bonnet (now come on, how could you ever resist from the front seat, feel those curves), and Icon bannister.
Very hard not to touch, hands in pockets risks falling flat on face with my knees!
Failed four times, needless banisters, bar top, Streak bonnet (now come on, how could you ever resist from the front seat, feel those curves), and Icon bannister.
Very hard not to touch, hands in pockets risks falling flat on face with my knees!
Spookle15
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I get into the car from leaving a clean home.....I don't even drive, so I touch even less than the driver... I put on a brand new pair of gloves and go into Asda.... I touch the trolley, I spray the trolley, I pick up items I only want to but (sometimes you can't help it if you want a better sell by date, sometimes you need to touch things), I then go to the machine, pick up the same items I've touched only once. I use the touch screen to pay, which the staff are cleaning between each use. Someone opens the clean boot door, I put the bags in, they shut the clean boot door. I take the gloves off and I sanitise.
I'm not sure where you are going with this. I'm not sure where I've said anywhere that I don't clean my hands.
1. No one else goes into Asda and sanitises their hands between picking up each item, if they're doing things correctly they enter Asda with clean hands (in my case gloves) and they clean their hands when they leave (I remove gloves and still use wipes and sanitiser)
2. My hands are always clean thank you. I had issues years ago with OCD with over washing to the point they were dry, cracked and permanently red from over washing. I still over wash to this day. But I can't take the kitchen sink with me, so when I'm out before I eat or even use a phone, I use sanitiser. Most people go into shops, touch things, then are straight on their phones, which then every time they use it, would spread the virus. Gloves are my barrier to this, I use them once when in a shop, then a new pair if I'm going somewhere else.
3. The only thing I would shocked by is someone filming me to see what I touch. I actually can't emphasise this enough - I have absolute issues with all of this. If I touched something other than what my brain things I'm supposed to (which when I'm out shopping consists only of the trolley/basket or the things we need) then honestly.... I would know about it. I went 4 months once not leaving the house for fear of touching things outside when bird flu was going to wipe us all out. Whenever my dad went to mow the lawns, he had to come in, take his clothes off and immediately shower otherwise I couldn't cope.
I don't think there is much more I can say about this really.
Dave
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They are demonstrably good at reducing infection rates in close quarters, And it wouldn’t be completely dumb to require their use in shops. I think the reason they are not Recommended for all activities is once you get beyond 2m the infection vector changes from air to surfaces and masks don’t really prevent viral shedding onto surfaces. You also have to bare in mind that poor use of masks and reusing old masks poses other infection risks, this isn’t the only disease out there and hot moist cloth makes a fantastic breeding ground for other bugs. The fact you see people walking around wearing what are meant to be disposable masks that haven’t been available on the market for 3 months due to production shortages suggests people are not all that keen on following the instructions.
Once outside the efficacy of masks reduces and I think there is a worry that people wear masks and then slack off the more effective preventative measures like hand washing.
You clearly have a strong reaction to the whole thing, if you haven’t already I would strongly suggest getting some talking therapy so that the immediate pandemic doesn’t overly impact your quality of life. The gloves are not protecting you physically but if they help your ability to mentally function through the pandemic then you should keep using them.
Spookle15
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I have a strong reaction to feeling like I somehow have to justify the few things I'm doing when I leave the house. There are three people in our family, and up until recently none of us had left the house at all. One of whom I would very much prefer didn't catch it. I genuinely don't know what I'm doing wrong or that is so terrible that would cause a conversation that revolves around my wearing gloves when there are so many other people who do nothing to help themselves or anyone else. I think if most people had to type their routine in minute detail it would probably seem a little far fetched.
If I need therapy it would be less to do with COVID-19 and more to do with having to be in close proximity to a population of idiots. 2m away from some people is not just far enough.
People who pay cash for products, take their change, open said products, take them out and eat them with their fingers (lady today then licked said fingers)
People who cough and don't cover their mouths.
People who willingly walk within 45cm of another human when you don't need to.
All of the above (and more) is not the right way to go about things.
I would definitely say that someone who has in recent weeks been to three shopping centres, numerous garden centres, a DIY store and also had a nice day trip out into Wales, is not having their quality of life affected. I've just been out now to a major shopping area, and it was as normal as you can get these days.
The only way physically to keep safe in all this is to never leave the house, which for a lot of us now is now longer practical or something we would want. I'm more than happy to be out and about, as long as I wear a mask and gloves. Which I noticed a lot more people wearing today, especially staff members in shops, whom I'm pretty sure touch more stuff that I do, and will not change their gloves as often.
On a completely different topic....
I know there were big debates a few weeks back about the impact the protests would have on the population. I am happy to say I was wrong in saying they would have an impact. Also I think the Liverpool celebrations and other such gatherings (can't remember any others off the top of my head) don't seem to have affected virus figures either.
Has anyone heard the reasons behind this. Is it just because more people were wearing masks? I still don't think there was much 2m distance kept, but there were a lot of mask wearers. Is the virus weakening?
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I think wearing gloves regarding Covid-19 is just another surface to spread the virus with. Hand washing kills and washes away the virus.
If you are disposing the gloves immediately after you are touching a door handle or any other surface, then you are not spreading the virus, unless someone is stupid enough to raid the bin.
The virus is still out there, the virus hasn't change. I think it's just less of it around at the moment with less people infected with it. The chances of you meeting someone with the virus is the same chance of having a road accident. However we are not taking any chances, I wouldn't play Russian roulette, so I'm not going to take my chances or even more importantly my wife's chances with this virus.
I fully understand you with regards to your OCD, I lived with my mother for 18 years who has severely suffered from OCD. It something that you can't help and can impact on your life and others around you. My mother has the fear of contamination and the spreading of it. It's not a nice thing to witness. You can PM me on this is you want to.
If you are disposing the gloves immediately after you are touching a door handle or any other surface, then you are not spreading the virus, unless someone is stupid enough to raid the bin.
The virus is still out there, the virus hasn't change. I think it's just less of it around at the moment with less people infected with it. The chances of you meeting someone with the virus is the same chance of having a road accident. However we are not taking any chances, I wouldn't play Russian roulette, so I'm not going to take my chances or even more importantly my wife's chances with this virus.
I fully understand you with regards to your OCD, I lived with my mother for 18 years who has severely suffered from OCD. It something that you can't help and can impact on your life and others around you. My mother has the fear of contamination and the spreading of it. It's not a nice thing to witness. You can PM me on this is you want to.
It’s all a bit mixed up atm. Some sites I visit you have a temperature check on way in and they insist on gloves and mask. Other sites don’t give a ......
I think that masks are a good idea in enclosed public places and you should be asked to sanitise your hands on the way in and in the way out.
My frustration is the inconsistency between premises/companies.
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I think that masks are a good idea in enclosed public places and you should be asked to sanitise your hands on the way in and in the way out.
My frustration is the inconsistency between premises/companies.
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Spookle15
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I've been very lucky to be honest, most of the places I've been to have automatic doors or I could literally boot it open. Generally I've known the places I am going to and know what doors swing open etc. I walked up four flights of stairs in Primark - have not used a handrail since March so no touching - so I didn't have to go in a lift and press buttons, because then I would have put fresh gloves on and wasted them by pressing a button.
I have noticed a lot of people (a lady and her granddaughter kindly left a door open for us today) using their elbows when doors swing open easily. It's opening them the other way that I imagine a lot of people touch and don't sanitise afterwards. It's probably a fire hazard or some other reason, but at the moment it would be good if places could have at least one door that swings both ways maybe.
I absolutely hate escalators and I can't walk on one without using a handrail. Or so I thought. In M&S for example, before I put gloves on (only put them on when I know I will be touching stuff), I grabbed hold of my brother who was in front (he didn't use the handrail either) and held on. It turns out, we didn't need to pick up anything for a price etc, so no gloves were needed and nothing was touched.
I have also used sanitiser in a shop when provided when I leave, even though I'm wearing gloves I like to let the staff see me use it. I also make a point of pointing on my own sanitiser when you enter a shop that provides it, although many people don't use them.
Thank you. As I said, I know what I've been like in the past (over something that never happened) so overall, I'm quite OK with how we do things. It's a lot easier than it was three months ago, and no one was going out then! It's obvious we do more than most people, but it's the people who really don't seem to use any precaution whatsoever I find to me almost another breed entirely. It's bad enough one way systems being abused but the amount of people who leave shops and don't seem to care about possibly spreading things onto their belongings.
@monkeyboy - I'm not sure how temperature checks would go down with most people, although I had them both at AT and Warwick castle and the staff had so much PPE on, it really didn't bother me.
You only have to look at how many people don't sanitise their hands voluntarily, I don't know how you would enforce them to do that, and to be fair, I'd like to see more automatic dispensers rather than push ones, some are very hard to actually get any gel out. At least if they were automatic staff could easily check and see if they were running low.
I think consistency if definitely the key here. Both with procedures and also something like cash. Some places will accept it, some absolutely won't and some will but they'd rather not.
Error
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Oh you naughty.
Doublethink
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Streamer with COViD 19 symptoms at Disney world refused to leave to go to the hospital when advised by Disney
Jess and I haven't venture out at the moment. We been advise by the GP if we do go out, to wear full PPE, which is not fun. We only been advise to just walk around the block, again not much fun, would rather sit out in our garden.
Was advise if we do go out, to ensure that we disinfect Jess' wheelchiar wheels and to ensure that Jess is able to wash her hands.
If we were to go further afield, it would means setting Jess' wheelchair up which I usually have to make use of the floor to lay things out as well as when it comes to packing it all away again. Jess can't usually wash her hands due to the size and layout of her wheelchair, so we usually carry around hand gel any way before the pandemic. Getting thought doors with her wheelchair usually requires an extra set of hands. All hygiene usually go out of the window, especially when using the toilet, I will be touching door handles and the wheelchair handles simultaneously without being able to wash hands in-between, this is due to most doors are spring loaded ensure that they self close. Jess is always dropping things.
So for us, leaving the home and being covid save is not practical or wearing PPE especially in good weather is not going to be fun either. I wear face mask for doing wood work or spray painting and it very uncomfortable and stuffy to wear for a few minutes, let alone for longer length of time.
For us the daily new case figures have to come right down to double or single figures consistently and social distancing measures relaxed more before we will venture out.
Was advise if we do go out, to ensure that we disinfect Jess' wheelchiar wheels and to ensure that Jess is able to wash her hands.
If we were to go further afield, it would means setting Jess' wheelchair up which I usually have to make use of the floor to lay things out as well as when it comes to packing it all away again. Jess can't usually wash her hands due to the size and layout of her wheelchair, so we usually carry around hand gel any way before the pandemic. Getting thought doors with her wheelchair usually requires an extra set of hands. All hygiene usually go out of the window, especially when using the toilet, I will be touching door handles and the wheelchair handles simultaneously without being able to wash hands in-between, this is due to most doors are spring loaded ensure that they self close. Jess is always dropping things.
So for us, leaving the home and being covid save is not practical or wearing PPE especially in good weather is not going to be fun either. I wear face mask for doing wood work or spray painting and it very uncomfortable and stuffy to wear for a few minutes, let alone for longer length of time.
For us the daily new case figures have to come right down to double or single figures consistently and social distancing measures relaxed more before we will venture out.
BarryZola
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Well, that Youtube content isn't going to make itself is it? It's almost like you're suggesting that health and safety is more important than some Youtube views and revenue. What are you like!? That's not how the world works anymore
Rojo
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Disney should create an Old Yeller section of the park for anyone who turns up with COVID-19 symptoms and refuses to leave problem solved
Seriously though it proves that people can be selfish. Remember when people mocked the Chinese lady who hid her symptoms to fly to France for a Michelin star meal? Well all countries have their own idiots and we're not laughing now.
As bad as it is, at least we know about them and they can be forced to leave the park. There's still a group of people that can be actively spreading it without symptoms.
problem solved Seriously though it proves that people can be selfish. Remember when people mocked the Chinese lady who hid her symptoms to fly to France for a Michelin star meal? Well all countries have their own idiots and we're not laughing now.
As bad as it is, at least we know about them and they can be forced to leave the park. There's still a group of people that can be actively spreading it without symptoms.