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[2025] Toxicator: New Forbidden Valley Suspended Top Spin

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I haven't really been in agreement with the whole Forbidden Valley is the new X Sector thing this season but this new ride genuinely just seems like they've plonked it in the wrong area of the park! (That said, great to see a top spin back in that spot)
 
TomW said:
I haven't really been in agreement with the whole Forbidden Valley is the new X Sector thing this season but this new ride genuinely just seems like they've plonked it in the wrong area of the park! (That said, great to see a top spin back in that spot)
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I would argue against this, for a floorless topspin it makes sense, at x sector one row of people would be facing a road, but at this location in FV both rows get a good view of the paths (and vice versa)
 
jibbsie said:
for something the size they are planning.
The maitanence, weight (it is on top of a concret structure, meaning if it is heavier the concrete is more expensive), size, cost etc would be much more, I think it would be cheaper to build and run and I would argue more effective to install screens
edit: there is also a support running through it, meaning atleast one section will have to be hollow to allow it through)
and I am not expecting a 360 degree tank, more a black tank with some windows (the screens) which would show the the liquid (I think it would make the effect work better, if done right)
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Good point, assuming they used a full tank. Would probably make more sense to have nested tubes and only fill the space between the two with water. Then put green LED strips up the middle.
 
DiogoJ42 said:
Good point, assuming they used a full tank. Would probably make more sense to have nested tubes and only fill the space between the two with water. Then put green LED strips up the middle.
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the thing with water is if it was a tank, unless they are using many smaller tankes (many pumps required, bad for maitanence and cost) due to the height they would generate the same pressure (water is fun like that, the height dictates the pressure) meaning they would reduce the weight but would still need the same thickness of curved acrylic/glass, which wouldn't be cheap to make, anything curved and seethrough is expensive. I think it would be cheaper and better looking to install the led screens, like on the smiler marmalizer but not a full 360, cover up parts and make it look like a tank with windows
 
Ripsaw97 said:
I wonder if this has something to do with it .
I think its a music festival
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The wordmark Toxicator is registered against classes 9, 16, 25 and 41 by the German company i-Motion GmbH Events & Communication.

The Merlin application for Toxicator has also put in a request against Classes 41, which is where the conflict lays.

Class 41 is a pretty important one as it covers use in visual and audio media (amongst others).

Class 25 is the real contention, as it's a protection for clothing, headwear and other wearable merchandise.
 
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So what’s the changes they could get away with something like Forbidden Toxicator or Phalanx’s Toxicator, or Toxicator: Wraith of Ripsaw? They are all awful ideas, but surely the way to get around the existing trademark.

With Promotional Material and Merchandise also having the shorter ‘Toxicator’ name originally planned? Surely they can see off the trademark opposition with a small settlement to the festival, as realistically there’s not going to be confusion in the eyes of the public… Could just be patent trolling.
 
GooseOnTheLoose said:
It doesn't.
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In what sense? That Toxicator event in Mannheim is an i-Motion project, and they're the people contesting the trademark? Toxicator Mannheim's existence is the problem, it does have something to do with it.

Bert2theSpark said:
So what’s the changes they could get away with something like Forbidden Toxicator or Phalanx’s Toxicator, or Toxicator: Wraith of Ripsaw? They are all awful ideas, but surely the way to get around the existing trademark.

With Promotional Material and Merchandise also having the shorter ‘Toxicator’ name originally planned? Surely they can see off the trademark opposition with a small settlement to the festival, as realistically there’s not going to be confusion in the eyes of the public… Could just be patent trolling.
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Even with a co-existence agreement within Class 41, for example i-motion don't use Toxicator for 'Amusement Park and Theme Park Services' and Merlin don't use Toxicator for 'Nightclub Services' there's still a huge amount of overlap in marketing, promotion etc. And that's before getting on to the real stinker - Class 25 and Merch. You're going to struggle to reach an agreement there, especially with Merlin having a presence within Germany.
 
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Ryan said:
In what sense? That Toxicator event in Mannheim is an i-Motion project, and they're the people contesting the trademark? Toxicator Mannheim's existence is the problem, it does have something to do with it.
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My slight error (I blame the hangover). I didn't actually look too into who owned the Toxicator festival. I focussed on who owned the original trademark, but not why they owned it. I presumed that the two weren't connected and, In all honesty, I thought that the Toxicator festival was some sort of student night out. I shall edit my original post to reflect this.
 
Bert2theSpark said:
With Promotional Material and Merchandise also having the shorter ‘Toxicator’ name originally planned? Surely they can see off the trademark opposition with a small settlement to the festival, as realistically there’s not going to be confusion in the eyes of the public… Could just be patent trolling.
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That's not quite how trademarks work. You can't include a protected word mark in your trademark, as an attempt to get around an existing registration. Additionally this wouldn't be classified as patent trolling (ignoring that it's a trademark and not a patent), because the owners of the existing word/trademark for Toxicator have owned it since 2009, well before the original Top Spin was even closed.

This is classic trademark protection. In this situation i-Motion are legally compelled to object to the new trademark, and defend their own, because otherwise they'd lose it.

Merlin's options in this case are to either licence the trademark for Class 41, or come up with a new one entirely.

 
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