Alton Towers 2011 Profits - sharp fall

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  1. Jonathan

    Jonathan TowersStreet Member

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    We were discussing this yesterday on the way back from Towers, and Diogo reckons that in the long run, it could work.
    Posted 4th Nov 2012
  2. Tom

    Tom TowersStreet Member

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    It will make things much worse I'm certain.

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    Posted 4th Nov 2012
  3. thefatone

    thefatone TowersStreet Member

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    Depends on what the shareholders push to achieve.

    Tussauds had shareholders throughout it's life I believe, it was only when Charterhouse came in that you started to see bigger demands - even more so when DIC got their grubby mits on the parks.

    Blackstone and current investors (including lego group) seem more relaxed and understanding about the parks finances, you don't see them squeezed to the same extent they were in 05-07. Maybe because Blackstone also owns SeaWorld Parks & Entertainment, and lego need their parks to look good and do well to showcase their product, whereas DIC was literally in it to fatten it up and exit.
    Posted 5th Nov 2012
  4. TheMan

    TheMan TowersStreet Member

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    Well it's not likely to be an increase in customer service and less fast track etc is it?

    Think I might leave this debate alone now.

    Investment revenue is great for expanding a business, but when you already have capital investors there is only one reason to float.

    Let's take a football club as a simple example. Those who buy the clubs outright, like good old Randy Lerner of my beloved Aston Villa, took the club off the Stock Market. Why? Because he didn't need the money, and it bleeds a club of revenue.

    On the other hand, let's take a quick peek at the giant Man U. They're servicing a lot of debt, with owners having to flog a ton of their assets, and went off to float the club to raise revenue.

    If you have the capital, you don't need to float the company to grow. If you float the company, you're always at the behest of expectant shareholders and dividend yields, and if someone makes a royal cock up of it, or the market crashes, all of a sudden your company is worth a shed load less for no logical reason.

    The stock market is a big game, full of gamblers, and it's very exciting, and I'd never put my own money in it, because for every winner there are a heck of a lot of losers.
    Posted 5th Nov 2012

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