Blackpool Pleasure Beach: General Discussion

Discussion in 'European Parks and Attractions' started by John, 13th Jun 2012.

  1. rob666

    rob666 TowersStreet Member

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    I think the final room scenes were done before the lift hill and drop went in.
    The pyramids bit used to be much bigger I think as well.
    Then the jungle scene.
    Then the lift and drop.
    Probably.
     
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    well the original steel was manufactured by Watson steel, and I'm pretty sure another company (addissons or someone with a similar name) have certainly been involved with previous replacement pieces of track. So I'd guess at someone like that.
     
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    Ah right. Thanks for the clarification @John_P!
     
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    Verkoma retraked and made new trains for Python at eftaling and that was one of their older rides.
     
  5. Rick

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    The scenes and the facade of the River Caves have never stopped changing. I think the Cambodian scene was one of Leonard's last acts, so suspect it was between 1970 and 1976.

    It would make sense that the concept was added at the same time but think the actual hardware employed is newer.

    The original gas powered pumps were replaced somewhere along the line, too.
     
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    The Angkor Wat scene definitely looks as though it was designed without the lifthill in mind IMO, considering the way the scenes continue on ground level.
     
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    Weeeellllll, B&M have past form retracking Morgan hypers.......
     
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    quoting myself from a few weeks ago on a different topic...

    QUOTE="TheBolt, post: 266421, member: 3421"]There is an excellent document about the construction of the PMBO on the Institute of Structural Engineers site here.

    https://www.istructe.org/journal/vo...psi-max-big-one-rollercoaster-blackpool-plea/
    (if you search via google, you can bypass the paywall somehow)

    It makes it clear that Watson Steel built the structure, and fitted the track, but the track was actually manufactured by CHB Ltd. in the UK.[/QUOTE]
     
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    There are thirty steel pipe fabricators within twenty miles of Blackpool.
    Most is actually imported from China these days.
    By now I imagine it is put up for cheapest tender.
    Worked well with icons foundations!
     
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    Rivers Caves Angkor Wat scene was new in 1977
     
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    Then my ramp/drop guess is 1980.
     
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    I know that B&M manufactured new trains for Steel Dragon 2000, but I never knew that they retracked any Morgan hypers! It would be very exciting if B&M was involved with Big One retracking, as I'd love a B&M Big One if Mako is anything to go by!
     
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    No thank you, B&M can stay away from The Big One.

    In my opinion, the two B&M hyper coasters I rode in America were nowhere near as much fun as The Big One. They had no character, not much airtime and felt soulless and bland.

    Whilst The Big One does lack on the airtime front, I think it's a massively underappreciated ride in terms of enthusiasts (as the public love it!). It's got one of the best first drops I've ever ridden and has a unique charm about it that the modern hyper coasters cannot replicate. From the look and feel of the trains, track, lifthill sound, it'd be tragic to lose all that in favour of turning it into a worse version of other modern equivalents.

    The Big One's layout on a B&M (or equivalent) track would be diabolical, it's the raucousness of the current ride that makes it so much fun; much like Magnum!
     
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    Fair enough; I personally found the Big One's roughness one of the main things stopping it from ranking more highly for me, but each to their own!

    I do get what you mean about retaining the feel of the ride, though; Arrow hypers are admittedly far more unique than B&M hypers in today's theme parks! To tell you the truth, I'd just love a B&M hyper at any UK park; I'd definitely prefer one as Thorpe's next major coaster than as a Big One replacement.
     
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    The Big One's roughness could be eliminated by re-tracking the necessary areas in the same style, keeping the nature of the ride the same.

    It shouldn't be glass smooth like a B&M, however Magnum at Cedar Point proves that with the right maintenance, Arrow hyper-coasters can be raucous and throw you around without being "rough."

    I personally do not find The Big One rough at all, it's by far and away one of my favourite roller coasters. With that said, I do recognise that it has developed a rattle that it perhaps didn't have 5 years ago.
     
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    I love the Big One but can't remember the last time I rode it. It's been closed the last couple of times I've been on park.

    I think an RMC transformation would suit the ride and potentially undo some of its issues.
     
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    I love the Big One's wildness and whenever Ive done it recently it feels like a good balance of rough without being jaw shattering and uncomfortable. Maybe it should be kept from getting too rough as it ages, but smoothing it completely would not do it any favours.
     
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    The Big One is going to have far more problems than it 'getting too rough as it ages' - regardless of the implications of smoothing it out, the park is seemingly well aware that a 'make do and mend' approach is not going allow it to run close to even its intended service life, let alone beyond.

    It's not even inherent in the design of the ride, the Blackpool ride has its own specific challenges that are pretty plain to see. The Titan trains were replaced out of necessity but it was ultimately demolished for economic reasons, Desperado is saved by its almost non-existent operating schedule and Magnum is Cedar Point's baby and treated as such - plus when you're trying to keep Dragster up and running, comparatively it's a non-issue.
     
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    If some short-sighted moron is stupid enough to RMC Big One, it would be quite the travesty.

    I say that not because Bog One is the best coaster in the World. It’s not. However, its shape, its experience, its height, remains its selling point. Just look at the queues 25 years on to prove that.

    Spending that sort of money would be a fool’s errand. It’s far better spent on a new attraction.
     
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    @venny I was referring to a scenario where they had to retrack the ride, replacing it like for like would be far more foolish, surely.

    Not many queues for it this week...
     

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