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Ched Evans Debate

Lets say if Ched Evans owned up to the fact that he raped someone. Lets say Ched Evans showed real remorse for his crimes. Lets say that since his release, he spent his time doing some actual good work, learning from his crime, and went some way towards fighting against rape culture in society. If he did all that, at the very least, then I could possibly see there being an actual debate. After all, we should seek to rehabilitate criminals, and offering forgiveness (even for the most horrendous crimes) is a sign of a civilised society.

But lets see what he's done since his release: he's whined about how hard the 'ordeal' of being sent to prison for a crime he committed has been, and how its unfair that nobody forgives him (except his friends and family), and shifted the blame of the attack squarely on the victim. He hasn't learned his lesson, nor spent the two years (out of five) that he actually served reflecting on his crime.

His victim has had to change her identity - TWICE - since the attack, and had to leave her home town. She's had her life utterly ruined by this scumbag. And yet, he's shown her nothing. He just wants pity for himself, and to clear his name of a crime he committed. Oh, and to play football for a lot of money. We can't forget that.

He's deplorable as a person. He should never play professional football ever again. And any team ridiculous enough to hire him deserves ruin.
 
Let's compare this to what happened to Dapper Laughs. He made jokes about rape, what happened to him was that he got his TV show axed. Yet Evans actually did rape someone, spent sometime in prison and now he's allowed play professional football again? Not that I'm defending Dapper Laughs because I think he got what he deserved. But I find it disgusting that Sheffield United are even considering taking him back. And besides, why would they even want to? They've done well without him like making the Semi Finals of the FA Cup which is really good for a 3rd division side and currently in the top half of the table. I feel here that justice hasn't been served for the victim, and if I had my way, I'd banned Evans from playing professional football for the rest of his life. Scumbag.
 
The key issue here is being overlooked, and despite many attempts at trying to find the answer I cannot:

Why was he released after half his sentence if he maintained innocence and showed no remorse? Surely parole cannot be granted without displaying either of those things or have I overlooked something.

If he had been released having admitted guilt and shown remorse then it would have been an entirely different issue.

I should also add that despite their apparent hesitation, I can see no chance that he will be re-signed by Sheffield United. Nigel Clough may try to act like a pathetic caricature of his father and be controversial, but the board would not allow it. They won't view it as worth the hassle or constant distraction.
 
My understanding is he's only training with SUFC and is not being paid.

The only recent comparative case I can think of similar to this case is that of a certain Mike Tyson.
He returned to professional sport after being convicted of rape and is still treated as a god like figure by some, even if he was a shadow of his former self after he returned to the ring.

I'm not defending Ched but some sports professionals aren't known for their brains and are easy targets for a certain type of women. The fairer sex is not always as innocent as it likes to portray in my experience.
 
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BigT said:
I'm not defending Ched but some sports professionals aren't known for their brains and are easy targets for a certain type of women. The fairer sex is not always as innocent as it likes to portray in my experience.
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This is the most sexist thing I've read on this forum.

"Certain type of women"?? You mean the women who have their lives turned upside down, not just from the horror of the assault but from the lack of belief from the general public AND the legal system? The women who have had to go into hiding, change their identity as a result of the attack?

Your comment is extremely offensive to women everywhere. You're twisting the attack to say the assailant is the victim. Rape victims go through this on a daily basis.

When we talk about rape culture in society, comments like this are exactly what we're talking about.
 
I didn't think big t's comment was sexist in the slightest though. There are 'certain types of women' who prey on sportsmen to make money. It's a fact, no one is saying it's all women are they.
 
BigT said:
The fairer sex is not always as innocent as it likes to portray in my experience.
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Those cynical women, how dare they wear sexually suggestive clothing and expect not to be raped while doing so? I agree with you - she's not innocent, I'm sure she wanted to be raped.
 
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So these 'certain types of women' are 'asking for it', are they?
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No, certainly not. My point was only that there was nothing sexist about the comment. It's like me saying 'some women are rapists' or 'some men are rapists' - there was no generalising.

What I ment by 'certain types of women' was that the are women (& men) that prey on certain personalities - which is true, is it not? Christiano Ronaldo was accused of rape approximately 5(?) times whilst he played in Manchester. Do you think any of those were true claims? At least one actually came out and said it wasn't true. So yes, there are 'certain types of women' - not that women who dress suggestively are 'gagging for it' and 'wanted to be raped' - that's certainly not what point anyone was making.
 
Are we going down the line of a small group of women. That use they body for entrapment. As that is a thread all on its own.
 
BigT said:
My understanding is he's only training with SUFC and is not being paid.

The only recent comparative case I can think of similar to this case is that of a certain Mike Tyson.
He returned to professional sport after being convicted of rape and is still treated as a god like figure by some, even if he was a shadow of his former self after he returned to the ring.

I'm not defending Ched but some sports professionals aren't known for their brains and are easy targets for a certain type of women. The fairer sex is not always as innocent as it likes to portray in my experience.
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CCTV shows she was too drunk to stand up. Ched Evans didn't bring her to the hotel, his friend did and he turned up later after his friend text him about having her. And Ched Evans was hardly a household name, the idea she recognised him and lured them in to bed is a bit far fetched before even considering it was Evans' family that leaked her identity, forcing her to change it. I'm sure if she set out to fake being raped to take down a footballer for her own gains she would have considered that her name might get out.

He hasn't served his sentence, he's on release. He's not served his time.

What I'd like to know, and what's been overlooked, is why his mate, the one who actually took the victim, who was clearly too drunk, to a hotel, raped her and invited Evans to join him, got away with it.
 
I don't agree with early release without evidence of rehabilitation/remorse, but a condition of his licence being that he cannot play football in that time would have been more tolerable.

A can we please get this idea that someone playing for Sheffield United is a role model to millions, out of our heads. The club is relatively obscure in the grand scheme of things. Regardless, he won't be playing for them - and I'm not sure if there are many clubs that would want to touch him now, he's a toxic asset.

With regards to the general issue that's been discussed above - whether there are female psychopaths capable of manipulating footballers with low IQ - then the answer is yes, but that isn't what should be suggested of Evans' victim. The evidence against him is compelling, and I hope that the "fastracked review" of his conviction determines that he was treated too leniently and returned to prison to serve a further 5 years.
 
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Ched Evans is set to join Malky Mackay and Dave Whelan at Wigan 'controversy' Athletic...
 
That's tabloid rumour and extremely unlikely. Even if they did sign him I think they would quickly live to regret it and pay him off. I can't see him playing in England again, unless his name is cleared.
 
Is that actually a rumour? I just made that up haha!

I can't see him playing in England though no, least not at professional level, for a long while.

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Yeah it is - or at least was - I did think that it was surprising you were that naive haha.
 
As a social worker who works with young offender and who is also in possession of his own criminal record this is something I am quite passionate about. I firmly believe and have seen the benefit of allowing offenders a chance to make meaningful and positive contributions to society.

I can honestly see no reason why ched Evans should not be allowed to return to his career. After all that is his profession why should the possession of a criminal record stop him from working? People seem to be greatly offended not by the "potential risk" but by the simple fact that his career allows him to earn what can be considered a hefty wage and I often see the argument "why should he be able to earn £XXX" well why shouldn't he? It's not as though he earns the money through rape is it? He is in a profession with few quality applicants and a limited time to earn the money.

However what should be considered is whether any club would want to take him on. After all football is about publicity and all are in the public eye and would any club want to risk association with such a character? Obviously recent developments at Sheffield united means someone there has considered this.

On a personal note I do not believe ched had handled the post prison era very well at all. The video he released appeared very self centred and attempt to absolve himself of his sins where I do believe he should acknowledge he was convicted of a crime - even if he still continues to dispute this!

Lastly we should consider as anyone who has attended a football match will tell you - the terraces are not a very friendly place and he will get some stick if he returns to playing would any club or colleague want to be associated with this?

I think it is clear that by not allowing him to work (if offered an opportunity) it would breach his rights to earn and support his family he should be able to develop his career in any way he chooses. However he needs to acknowledge that his past is well known and will be considered but regardless of the crime this should not prevent him from working.

I do wish I could be more articulate in this discussion but it's late.....
 
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