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Danny
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Given your outdated views seemingly come from that era, I fail to see why you're making such a big fuss.
imanautie
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IL admit my views on whenever lockdown should remain or not are somewhat mixed due to being on the edge of autistic burnout as a result of work stuff+bomb threats+brexit+pandemic
But as a whole I think protecting what is probably millions of people (the high risk) had to take priority, which will be keeping some measures of lockdown and having mandatory mask wearing.
Whilst it's likely to tip the scales in terms of going non verbal will still advocate for protecting the high risk
the fact that im prioritizing the health of others over my ability to literally speak should go some way towards demonstrating that saving lives is worth some form of self sacrifice.
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But as a whole I think protecting what is probably millions of people (the high risk) had to take priority, which will be keeping some measures of lockdown and having mandatory mask wearing.
Whilst it's likely to tip the scales in terms of going non verbal will still advocate for protecting the high risk
the fact that im prioritizing the health of others over my ability to literally speak should go some way towards demonstrating that saving lives is worth some form of self sacrifice.
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speedy
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Bomb threats?
Hang in there and you can always PM me if you need someone to talk to!
There is a BIG difference between what you're saying, which I'm reading as "we need to be aware of the problems caused by lockdown to ensure it isn't doing more bad than good" vs what some other people are saying "I'm bored, the lockdown must end for the sake of the economy, let the old and vulnerable die".
My dad was getting really stressed and decided to take a week off work. It certainly helped him relax and get some gardening done.
imanautie
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Bomb threats?
Hang in there and you can always PM me if you need someone to talk to!
There is a BIG difference between what you're saying, which I'm reading as "we need to be aware of the problems caused by lockdown to ensure it isn't doing more bad than good" vs what some other people are saying "I'm bored, the lockdown must end for the sake of the economy, let the old and vulnerable die".
My dad was getting really stressed and decided to take a week off work. It certainly helped him relax and get some gardening done.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.no...sses-evacuated-near-east-midlands-3816725.amp
(Pictured office is my office).
Two points really in my post there, the one you mentioned but also that being solely focused on yourself during this pandemic is a really crappy thing to do.
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Right now lockdown is least of my worries my partner who’s a key worker working at specialist care home hasn't been home for almost 7 weeks due to working away. Everyday is a bloody worry knowing if she’s ok and if she’s going to get through this. What ever your thought of lockdown or corona or whatever just spare a thought for those who have people working on the frontline trying to keep people safe and alive.
Benzin
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State of some posts.
Wonder what the viewpoint would've been if we'd ended up with the original herd immunity idea and had even more deaths on the hands?
The lockdown has prevented a lot of people from potentially being exposed to it. If my mrs (with MS so at risk) had to still work in the city centre in retail and been exposed to it I would be absolutely livid that a government who had weeks to plan for this chose to ignore it.
Talking of the government, the people from Led by Donkeys have created a Corona Timeline which is... Well not particularly good reading. Irrespective of your position on those in charge.
https://appeasement.org/
I'll repeat also that some of us didn't have a choice in being off work. And having a government pay out is the only thing keeping me alive (since bills and stuff haven't been deferred). It's an unfortunate thing that self employed people have been screwed over but what would you expect from a Tory government?
What is telling that the media turn the news that the UK now holds the highest death toll in Europe to a footnote whilst a randy professor and pushing the lockdown reductions get front page news. Absolutely no accountability in this country whatsoever.
Wonder what the viewpoint would've been if we'd ended up with the original herd immunity idea and had even more deaths on the hands?
The lockdown has prevented a lot of people from potentially being exposed to it. If my mrs (with MS so at risk) had to still work in the city centre in retail and been exposed to it I would be absolutely livid that a government who had weeks to plan for this chose to ignore it.
Talking of the government, the people from Led by Donkeys have created a Corona Timeline which is... Well not particularly good reading. Irrespective of your position on those in charge.
https://appeasement.org/
I'll repeat also that some of us didn't have a choice in being off work. And having a government pay out is the only thing keeping me alive (since bills and stuff haven't been deferred). It's an unfortunate thing that self employed people have been screwed over but what would you expect from a Tory government?
What is telling that the media turn the news that the UK now holds the highest death toll in Europe to a footnote whilst a randy professor and pushing the lockdown reductions get front page news. Absolutely no accountability in this country whatsoever.
bluesonichd
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Be for you all jump on me.
As I was stating. For many this is a mild illness
Don’t like it go and complain to the WHO !
Don’t try and make it into something else because you disagree with my views. Try and make out I don’t care about human life. Try and make me a monster.
https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...h for most people COVID,to be more vulnerable.
Ok so I mixed depression with recession
Only stating what the OBR have said.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...y-the-most-in-300-years-in-2020-idUSKCN21W1EQ
As I was stating. For many this is a mild illness
Don’t like it go and complain to the WHO !
Don’t try and make it into something else because you disagree with my views. Try and make out I don’t care about human life. Try and make me a monster.
https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...h for most people COVID,to be more vulnerable.
Ok so I mixed depression with recession
Only stating what the OBR have said.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...y-the-most-in-300-years-in-2020-idUSKCN21W1EQ
This is the only way out of this, there has never been a vaccine for a coronavirus, never!
Herd immunity has to be achieved, it has to be managed to make sure it doesn’t overwhelm the NHS but it is the only way out of this.
And I’m sorry if it upsets people but there will also be a lot more deaths in the UK and all over Europe, you can suppress this like Germany but it will come back and still kill the same people just over a longer period. (Unless they die of something else first)
I’m over 45 so in the higher risk category, I’m quite willing to risk myself for the greater good of society as I do everyday whilst still working.
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I don’t at all disagree that there is great danger to the economy. I know first hand that this has been a huge struggle especially for independent businesses, even the highly successful one that I work for. There’s no denying there will be difficult times.
However as Rob stated last night. There is need to be far more sensitive in our postings. We don’t know what people on this very forum could be going through at the hands of this truly awful disease. Let’s at least try to be a little sympathetic to the situation. People are struggling weather it’s to the disease itself or the lack of work, many many people are all in the same situation.
I personally feel it’s still too early for us to lift the lockdown totally. Certain things maybe. But if it’s going to put loved ones at risk, then it’s not worth the risk just yet! My Granddad is 84 and loves to go out for a coffee and a chat in his local area on an almost daily basis, this situation it taking real toll on him, but he himself has said he’d rather it be like this than he end up in hospital and never have another coffee again!
speedy
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"but it will come back and still kill the same people just over a longer period"
I won't claim to know anything about herd immunity, vaccines, whatever. But I think it's safe to say this isn't true. I read a tweet last night about people with disabilities having hospital supplies taken away from them to go towards the coronavirus effort. If we try the "herd immunity" approach, there will be big spikes in deaths and the subsequent strain on NHS would be far worse and will cause more people to die simply because we didn't have the resources to treat them at the time. "Flattening the curve" should mean we can treat everyone without the NHS being overwhelmed.
But isn’t that what I said?
“It has to be managed to make sure it doesn’t overwhelm the NHS”
Nobody will ever know the correct answer to the best way to handle it until it’s all done, unfortunately we listened to someone who was more interested in dropping his trousers to a married lover.
“It has to be managed to make sure it doesn’t overwhelm the NHS”
Nobody will ever know the correct answer to the best way to handle it until it’s all done, unfortunately we listened to someone who was more interested in dropping his trousers to a married lover.
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We need to start lifting the lock down. It cannot continue its current form. The fact is that it will affect the healthy, BUT the healthy have a very good survival rate even from those who need intensive care. We are passed the first peak and it is time to start lifting the restrictions. If we take sensible precautions we will manage the cases. If we don't lift the restrictions then a lot more companies will fail. There will be an even higher number of unemployed and the economy will be completely dead. We need to find a suitable balance between lifting the restrictions and people's health. Sadly we can't save everyone and I honestly don't want anyone to lose anyone they love but if we don't lift the restrictions then the country will suffer even worse then it is now.
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The phased process of lifting the lockdown starts on Monday. We'll find out Sunday evening exactly what's happening.
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I thought it was extended for 3 more weeks with a few things eased? I thought that’s what was said but will find out Sunday. But the truth of the matter is lockdown must be eased in stages and when it’s safe to do so. If we just returned to normal and carried on like before just to save the economy we will just have another big spike and possibly another lockdown. Obviously that will harm the economy more people just need to patience.
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Yes, I believe it was extracted from the Daily Sieg Heil.