bluesonichd
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(2) For the purposes of paragraph (1), a reasonable excuse includes the need—
(b)to take exercise either alone or with other members of their household;
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(2) For the purposes of paragraph (1), a reasonable excuse includes the need—
(b)to take exercise either alone or with other members of their household;
Islander
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But you can complete that exercise without driving
. Otherwise there's no difference (legally) between your suggestion, and my rural Chinese gym
bluesonichd
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I can also complete that exercise by driving localy to get it somewhere.But you can complete that exercise without driving
the Law does not prohibit that.
only advice from gov now is to stay local
so you would be in breach of this by going to China, me to my local wood to walk would not
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/coronavirus-guidance-on-access-to-green-spaces
stay local and use open spaces near to your home where possible – do not travel unnecessarily
and yes I could walk to the woods, but then I would be out of the house for a good 4 hours or more, walking around ..
evilcod
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The exercise itself is permitted the travel there and back is not. Seems fairly simple to me.
You are worried about the spread of infection but will argue against complying with regulations to stop it. Seriously?
bluesonichd
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where is travel not permitted for exercise
Im still waiting for some one to point out the legislation
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/350/made
speedy
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@bluesonichd The government advice is
"The government has said people should "stay local" and not travel unnecessarily for exercise."
The police are enforcing that. Take a walk from your front door.
"The government has said people should "stay local" and not travel unnecessarily for exercise."
The police are enforcing that. Take a walk from your front door.
And this is where you an I disagree, how is a single person on their own walking down a path breaking the law?
Nor am I wrong, I have a different opinion to yours, it's only taken a few posts for you to drop back into the "I know better than you, don't argue with me, I am right you are wrong" attitude that is so prevelant within the Police ranks now, you will not accept that someone else has a different interpretation of the regulations than you do, so instead of being polite and say, oh, talking about it, your default stance is "you are wrong", and you wonder why there is so much disdain and disrespect shown to the Police.
You said earlier that a lot of problems people experience with the Police is due to their attitude, look in the mirror, perhaps if you were less inclined to tell people that they are wrong and maybe, you know, talk to them like human beings and not suspects, you might not have the problems you do.
I can understand the need to split up groups of people who may be hanging around talking or walking together, but seriously, if you're now saying a single person walking down the road is enough due cause for a stop and account, then you are part of the reason why so many people won't engage with you and why long term, this lockdown won't work, the more you harass people walking alone minding their own business getting their daily exercise, the more you will turn the public against you.
You may have most of the forum on your side here, but out in the real world it's a completely different story.
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pluk
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Because if they don't have a reason to be out, as per the legislation, they are breaking the law. Your opinion on that, my opinion that, is an utter irrelevance. I can tell you you are wrong not because I have a superiority complex or want to argue, but because I know what the law is as can anyone who would like to take the trouble to read it. Little to nothing is left to interpretation.
If your approach to police is the same in real life as it is on here it'd be no wonder you've had some dissatisfaction with the response!
pluk
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You are looking at it backwards. It doesn't say what you are not allowed to do, it says you are only allowed to leave your house to do the things permitted. There's a section that says 'travel', what you are describing is not one of those things.
It is stupidity and bloody mindedness on this level which will eventually result in much more stringent restrictions as has been seen elsewhere....
and the same goes for you, if you go round telling people they are wrong just because you disagree with them, then it's no suprise they give you jip.
So now you've flip flopped again and are saying I'm allowed to go out for exercise?
My point in all this is, isn't there more important things for you to be doing than stopping people who are walking alone down the street? If you see a person walking alone and you have no other suspicion, shouldn't stopping them for interrogation be a low priority? Surely by definition a person walking alone is complying with the legislation, you shouldn't need to stop them and demand to know what they are doing because anybody with an intelligence is going to either be sat on the sofa surfing the web, or out getting a bit of exercise. Nobody is going to go out, alone, to hold a sermon, or orgy or whatever, they're either getting exercise, or going to or from shopping, the last thing anybody needs is a big burly copper without PPE ignoring social distancing advice demanding to know what they are doing.
Yes if they were in a group, of course, but not on their own, this isn't North Korea yet... If you bring in tighter regulations without a decent reason (the roads round here are deserted apart from people out shopping), then you're going find people comply even less.
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Policing is done with consent so it's important it's done sensibly and proportionally.
People understand the purpose of the legislation and most will comply, but harassing people who are just walking to the shops or for their daily exercise (as they are permitted) is not a good way to keep the public onside.
People understand the purpose of the legislation and most will comply, but harassing people who are just walking to the shops or for their daily exercise (as they are permitted) is not a good way to keep the public onside.
Islander
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This is very true, but asking why someone is out doesn't really constitute harassment.
pluk
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Again, I don't disagree with you, the law does. Ignorance of or disagreement with the law is not a defence. In all honesty, people rarely give me jip because I take the trouble to explain myself and the law clearly.
I've never said you can't go out to exercise. Would you like to point out where I did? My message gas been consistent, do what the law says.
Probably low priority unless guided by other intelligence, but if there is nothing much else going on then it is still the right thing to do.
Nope, you are allowed out for the legislated reasons only.
People do need to know they have to abide by the rules, if they don't think they have to and that it is not being enforced a fair few will not comply with them. This thread is a great example of the mindset of some. You'd be amazed at hat people think is acceptable right now. You don't need too many people thinking they are above this and the virus is spreading again.
You seem to have an issue with the bigness and burleyness of coppers. Any reason for that? Are the slight and petite ones OK? Sorry we haven't got any PPE, I'm sure you can imagine how pleased we are about that ourselves. Doesn't mean police can retreat though.
That would be reactive policing. Once people have got together that ship has sailed, the virus may have spread between the group. Engaging with people before they meet is proactive and far more effective.
We don't bring in legislation, the government does. This is not a police decision, it's a central government one. People behaving as they currently are will be good reason, and not for some underhand sinister reason, but to save people from their own stupidity.
I'm afraid it does. The same as if I question someone parking in a blue-badge bay without displaying a valid blue badge. In law you are not allowed to do it.
With regards to people travelling in their car to exerciser. If someone is infected with covid-19 and travels to another part of county, they are then assisting the spread of the virus. Or if they are not infected, but could become infected and bring it back to their home. The first week of the lock-down, we had a lot of Londoners from the epicentre travelling to the coast of Norfolk, potentially facilitating the spread of the virus.
We are told not to travel for a reason, if everyone does as they are asked, then the more successful we will be as a country to contain and help out the NHS who are already becoming overwhelmed by the amount of virus patients.
Unfortunately, the advice seems to be falling on death ears, or ignorant people just think that it just don't apply to them.
pluk
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The truest typo you'll ever see!
In the current circumstances, I cannot see anything unreasonable about a police officer asking why I am out on the street.
But I dont have a big chip on my shoulder with authority.
I have been out a great deal over the last few days helping out housebound people, and I have had two civil, brief conversations with police officers, without problems.
With the amount of idiotic anti-authoritarian bile on here recently, I wish there was an "ignore topic" button.
But I dont have a big chip on my shoulder with authority.
I have been out a great deal over the last few days helping out housebound people, and I have had two civil, brief conversations with police officers, without problems.
With the amount of idiotic anti-authoritarian bile on here recently, I wish there was an "ignore topic" button.
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I work with someone who used to be a copper.
Got put on quite a few high profile events in London.
He quit after he was ordered to advance on a crowd of peacefull protesters, trapped in a "kettle", and not stop swinging his club until they were all gone.
But his mrs is still a copper.
All his mates are still coppers.
Can't have THAT much morals then, can he?
I trust him about as far as I can throw him.
Got put on quite a few high profile events in London.
He quit after he was ordered to advance on a crowd of peacefull protesters, trapped in a "kettle", and not stop swinging his club until they were all gone.
But his mrs is still a copper.
All his mates are still coppers.
Can't have THAT much morals then, can he?
I trust him about as far as I can throw him.
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I've seen a lot of stuff about how we won the war and we got through the blitz and all that shite that I can't be bothered to remember. But there's one key difference between the Great Britain of nearly 100 years ago and the Great Britain of today:
PEOPLE DID AS THEY WERE TOLD BY THE PEOPLE THEY ELECTED TO TELL THEM WHAT TO DO
STAY IN YOU MORONS, THAT'S ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW
PEOPLE DID AS THEY WERE TOLD BY THE PEOPLE THEY ELECTED TO TELL THEM WHAT TO DO
STAY IN YOU MORONS, THAT'S ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW