Football Discussion

[Slugjc]

All Parrish has done is delayed the inevitable and lost the club more money. Keeping Glasner maybe the priority. Last thing palace need is Hodgeson coming back

As for Konate. He fits Madrid better than Guehi.

 

[Benzin]

Not helped by Liverpool only officially bidding on Saturday though. Had 2 months to pay up after all.

Could've thrown in Gomez if they really wanted him as well but refused to do so (probably for depth reasons).

Palace couldn't buy anyone before selling which is why had only spent £3m prior to Eze going.

Leaves on a free but win Conference League plus top 7 finish would be fine by me.

 

[BarryZola]

Liverpool have been scummy in this transfer window. Trying to sign Guehi on deadline day when Palace don't have time to replace him. As mentioned, they could have made an offer a week ago. Horrible way to go about things. Then you have the whole Isak thing where they not only wanted to sign him and that whole saga, but signed Ekitike who Newcastle wanted to sign as his replacement, so made the whole thing even harder than it already was. It's a poor look.

 

[Slugjc]

Liverpool have been scummy in this transfer window. Trying to sign Guehi on deadline day when Palace don't have time to replace him. As mentioned, they could have made an offer a week ago. Horrible way to go about things. Then you have the whole Isak thing where they not only wanted to sign him and that whole saga, but signed Ekitike who Newcastle wanted to sign as his replacement, so made the whole thing even harder than it already was. It's a poor look.

For my case of the defence m'lord.

I shall leave out the Palace/Guehi situation as I think that how it should be done. Clearly, judging by Glasners comments and the fact that Guehi seemed to be saying bye against Villa. Talks between Palace and Liverpool had been going on for a while. Palace stipulation was we need to buy, then we sell being very clear. And a deal must have been close, for the paperwork being sat waiting to be sent to the FA, whilst Guehi was having his fitness checked. I believe if Glasner had not kicked off big time, Parrish would have sold no matter what. Knowing full well him not responding to an email, has cost palace £20mil. The bid was possible excepted days ago. (After having a several bids rejected I may add.) Palace not saying bid excepted till deadline day.

As for the whole Isak situation. Newcastle United Football Club. The whole situation seems to have arisen because Dan Ashworth and Amanda Staveley have not been replaced with anyone with any sort of knowledge how transfers work. (Away from, let's give clubs and players loads of oil money to play in a Saudi league) It was clear, for all the world to see that People were sniffing around him, since the league cup final. It was no secret in the press that City, Arsenal and Liverpool would be coming. Isak and representing party, also knew assurances were given to him that he could go.

So why on earth has taken them, so long to get anything sorted. You look at the summer. It's been transfer **** up after transfer **** up. To the point that the supporters started getting restless. Trafford, they had a free run at him for over year. Nothing. Bit targets not signed because of FFP. Other clubs saying "you have oil money, cough up." Supporters even being annoyed at the club for their failures.

As for Ekitike. May I present exhibit A. A Sky sports news story from the 15/07. Stating Newcastle had a £70 mil bid rejected (Liverpool payed £69mill +£10mill add on. Player signed 23/07) for a player to play alongside Isak. Newcastle looked to try and play Liverpool's bluff and failed. As exhibit B shows, Liverpool bid for Ekitike after being told Isak not for sale, so went for plan B and because Liverpool have a knowledge on how transfers worked, signed the deal. Plus, I imagine Liverpool is far more attractive to players. Plus id imagine, Liverpool sell was "you want to play with Isak, he's coming here don't you know?"

The whole Saudi PR around the saga has been hilarious. Sports washing 101.



Exhibit A

Hugo Ekitike to Newcastle: Eintracht Frankfurt turn down club-record £70m bid from Magpies for French forward

Newcastle tried and failed to sign Hugo Ekitike in 2022 and have seen a new club-record £70m bid turned down this week; the Magpies want Ekitike to play alongside Alexander Isak; Newcastle have held talks with Ekitikes representatives in Austria

www.skysports.com

Exhibit B

Hugo Ekitike joins Liverpool: Eintracht Frankfurt striker completes £79m transfer to Premier League champions

Liverpool have signed Eintracht Frankfurt striker Hugo Ekitike in a deal worth £79m (€91m); Liverpool moved for Ekitike after being told Newcastle forward Alexander Isak was not for sale; Newcastle had a club-record offer of £70m for Ekitike rejected

www.skysports.com

 

[BarryZola]

For my case of the defence m'lord.

I shall leave out the Palace/Guehi situation as I think that how it should be done. Clearly, judging by Glasners comments and the fact that Guehi seemed to be saying bye against Villa. Talks between Palace and Liverpool had been going on for a while. Palace stipulation was we need to buy, then we sell being very clear. And a deal must have been close, for the paperwork being sat waiting to be sent to the FA, whilst Guehi was having his fitness checked. I believe if Glasner had not kicked off big time, Parrish would have sold no matter what. Knowing full well him not responding to an email, has cost palace £20mil. The bid was possible excepted days ago. (After having a several bids rejected I may add.) Palace not saying bid excepted till deadline day.

As for the whole Isak situation. Newcastle United Football Club. The whole situation seems to have arisen because Dan Ashworth and Amanda Staveley have not been replaced with anyone with any sort of knowledge how transfers work. (Away from, let's give clubs and players loads of oil money to play in a Saudi league) It was clear, for all the world to see that People were sniffing around him, since the league cup final. It was no secret in the press that City, Arsenal and Liverpool would be coming. Isak and representing party, also knew assurances were given to him that he could go.

So why on earth has taken them, so long to get anything sorted. You look at the summer. It's been transfer **** up after transfer **** up. To the point that the supporters started getting restless. Trafford, they had a free run at him for over year. Nothing. Bit targets not signed because of FFP. Other clubs saying "you have oil money, cough up." Supporters even being annoyed at the club for their failures.

As for Ekitike. May I present exhibit A. A Sky sports news story from the 15/07. Stating Newcastle had a £70 mil bid rejected (Liverpool payed £69mill +£10mill add on. Player signed 23/07) for a player to play alongside Isak. Newcastle looked to try and play Liverpool's bluff and failed. As exhibit B shows, Liverpool bid for Ekitike after being told Isak not for sale, so went for plan B and because Liverpool have a knowledge on how transfers worked, signed the deal. Plus, I imagine Liverpool is far more attractive to players. Plus id imagine, Liverpool sell was "you want to play with Isak, he's coming here don't you know?"

The whole Saudi PR around the saga has been hilarious. Sports washing 101.



Exhibit A

Hugo Ekitike to Newcastle: Eintracht Frankfurt turn down club-record £70m bid from Magpies for French forward

Newcastle tried and failed to sign Hugo Ekitike in 2022 and have seen a new club-record £70m bid turned down this week; the Magpies want Ekitike to play alongside Alexander Isak; Newcastle have held talks with Ekitikes representatives in Austria

www.skysports.com

Exhibit B

Hugo Ekitike joins Liverpool: Eintracht Frankfurt striker completes £79m transfer to Premier League champions

Liverpool have signed Eintracht Frankfurt striker Hugo Ekitike in a deal worth £79m (€91m); Liverpool moved for Ekitike after being told Newcastle forward Alexander Isak was not for sale; Newcastle had a club-record offer of £70m for Ekitike rejected

www.skysports.com

Not entirely convinced, but I'll take your word for it as you would have followed it a lot more closely than a West Brom fan such as myself. It definitely doesn't look good from the outside looking in though.

 

[Slugjc]

Not entirely convinced, but I'll take your word for it as you would have followed it a lot more closely than a West Brom fan such as myself. It definitely doesn't look good from the outside looking in though.

I would say, I hate us doing anything dead line day. I would rather Liverpool say to sides. You have till 2 days before otherwise we pull out. It's allowed sky sports to get decent ads revenue for the day. Even that seems to be dieing out

Any good will Newcastle got for winning a cup last year from me has gone.

 

[John_P]

I would say, I hate us doing anything dead line day. I would rather Liverpool say to sides. You have till 2 days before otherwise we pull out. It's allowed sky sports to get decent ads revenue for the day. Even that seems to be dieing out

Any good will Newcastle got for winning a cup last year from me has gone.

Yeah, was made up we had so much of our incomings sorted before pre season had started.

We'd been looking at Ekitike ourselves as both Nunez and Diaz were looking to move on this summer so just signing Isak wouldn't have sufficed either. Plus with Newcastle vs Liverpool being the 2nd game of the season I could also see Newcastle wanting to delay anything until after that game. Why else did they flatly reject Liverpool offering £110 million on August 1st instead of attempting to negotiate and draw up further transfer targets.

Can't say I'm a fan of how Isak has gone about things (or Wissa to get his move to Newcastle) but sadly you can argue the end justifys the means when Marc Guehi is praised for doing things the right way only for it to all collapse come the deadline.

 

[Slugjc]

As stated above, the Newcastle/ Saudi PR machine has kicked in. They knew how to manipulate the local press and not did they get them stirred up. Poor old Newcastle, we wouldn't do such thing , oh look we have signed wissa.

I know Liverpool are, as always because Liverpool sells and gets clicks like.no other club. Being portrayed as the big bad, the red cartel. In this instance, they followed the rules. Spoke to both clubs. Gave them time to replace, made offers in time so they could get their end sorted, had them excepted, got the paperwork in. One arrived the other did not. I wonder how tye conversation between Guehi and Parrish went yesterday morning?

They were called "scummy" above for the last minute. I'm sorry to say, you might as well call the whole thing scummy. Every club, will have made bids for players at some stage, last minute it and in a way that other clubs can't replace.

The hypocrisy surrounding football continues to show it's ugly head. In this case, it's definitely media led.

 

[Rob]

Ultimately this transfer window has shown that player power can trump contracts when it comes to transfers. Isak, Wissa, and closer to home for me El Khannouss all demonstrate that. I don't think that this is healthy for football and it going to cause even more problems and sagas in future transfer windows. I know players would say that the opposite can be the case when they are out of favour with a manger, want to move but the club won't let them (Mainoo for example).

Isak acted terribly, almost certainly on the advice of his agent. And agent who no doubt wanted a big payday sooner rather than later. I think it was widely accepted that Isak would have been sold next summer regardless, but they clearly felt that they could not wait that long. It is a shame that a player who has done such great things for a club acts like this and totally ruins his legacy.

And then what happens when Real Madrid or someone else comes calling in a couple of years time? Agent smells another payday, sorry Liverpool, I ain't playing for you!

Don't get me started on how PSR has impacted transfers in favour of the "big" clubs again. But we all know that's exactly what those who have the power in football have wanted for a long time. Ever since 2015/16, funny that!

 

[Benzin]

Knowing full well him not responding to an email, has cost palace £20mil.

Are people still parroting that?

It's very obvious that this wasn't the reason for the demotion.

Liverpool tried to wait until last minute to provide Palace with funds for a replacement. The gambit failed. The argument of "Palace should've brought in a replacement first" falls a bit flat when Quansah was sold earlier in the window with no replacement.

Teams of Palace's size can't spend £40m odd on a replacement based on interest in a player. Especially with the financial limitations from PSR and UEFA (which is far stricter).

The media going on about how Guehi behaved so nicely compared to those going on strike yet not getting his "dream move" has annoyed me far more. As if he's not got a far greater opportunity come next year when he'll have a plethora of clubs to join at far greater advantage to himself financially.

Conversation was probably strained and full of frustration. However Guehi knows he'll have the chance to move on end of the season at latest in a World Cup year to show he can play at the highest level. If he can help Palace gain some more glory along the way then it'll be worth losing out on cash now (note: I am not a businessman).

He'll go on about God's plan at some point and all will be ok.

 

[Slugjc]

No I'll will against him or palace. The inevitable has been delayed to at least January. I can't see Parrish wanting to loose more brass.

To pick you up on a point. We have actually replaced Quansah. With a 18 year old lad from Parma. I can imagine Guehi would be in place to cover the usual Gomez injury, plus a Konate injury/Madrid.

But I can add. When a player kicks off and wants out. The player is a disgrace, when club acts in the same way. Sancho at united as an example, nothing is said.

 

[John_P]

I know people have said above about what happens in a few years if/when Isak wants another big move. I just think Liverpool have been pretty adept over the past years of when players saying they wanted out we've listened to them and when the price we want has been matched we've happily sold them on. Though you would have to argue given his age, wages, and the price we've paid if Isak did want to leave after three years we'd be expecting to receive what we paid for him at the very least.

 

[Benzin]

No I'll will against him or palace. The inevitable has been delayed to at least January. I can't see Parrish wanting to loose more brass.

Parish can't do anything if a continental European club comes in with a contract offer in January. Free transfer and that's it.

Least that'd be him staying till end of season.

 

[Slugjc]

Parish can't do anything if a continental European club comes in with a contract offer in January. Free transfer and that's it.

Least that'd be him staying till end of season.

TIll January at least. Someone could still come in for a reduced fee.

I think Parrish main concern now, will be United going for Glasner to replace Amron

 

[Benzin]

TIll January at least. Someone could still come in for a reduced fee.

I think Parrish main concern now, will be United going for Glasner to replace Amron

I can't see Glasner being high profile enough for them.

Also as he plays a similar system to Amorim I'd wager that'd count against him as well.

More likely to go back to Germany once his contract is finished.

 

[Slugjc]

I don't think profile will have anything to do with it .

He's already in the country, he's contact is in a final year. He has proven that the system Amron plays works, he's won a cup, he's proved he work within a budget and with lesser players than united.

Rumours are already circulating amongst the press. Especially with his tantrum with Parrish and amron looking more and more deflated.

I wouldn't rule it out. Sir Jim is capable of anything. Fair enough some dinner ladies will need to be made redundant. He is mad.

Glasner is current 4/1 on.

 

[Jb85]

I don't think profile will have anything to do with it .

He's already in the country, he's contact is in a final year. He has proven that the system Amron plays works, he's won a cup, he's proved he work within a budget and with lesser players than united.

Rumours are already circulating amongst the press. Especially with his tantrum with Parrish and amron looking more and more deflated.

I wouldn't rule it out. Sir Jim is capable of anything. Fair enough some dinner ladies will need to be made redundant. He is mad.

Glasner is current 4/1 on.

I’ve already got £20 on it with a well known high street bookmaker

 

[John_P]

I mean Liverpool AND West Ham of all teams looked at Amorim and decided against hiring him.

Somehow this made United think, yep this guys the man for us.

Hardly matters, then next guy will come in they'll have a good cup run (maybe win it) results will tail off. The fans will get restless and they'll be sacked. Usually having made enough signings and changes that means the next guy will want to sell half the team immediately.

 

[Jb85]

I mean Liverpool AND West Ham of all teams looked at Amorim and decided against hiring him.

Somehow this made United think, yep this guys the man for us.

Hardly matters, then next guy will come in they'll have a good cup win (maybe win it) results will tail off. The fans will get restless and they'll be sacked. Usually having made enough signings and changes that means the next guy will want to sell half the team immediately.

I don’t know I’m fairly confident in the recruitment side now - the manager though did seem an odd appointment

 

[Benzin]

Amorim was highly rated. I'd imagine Liverpool looked at how his preferred formation would work with the current players and thought "nah try elsewhere".

What's odds on Mourinho going back?