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Future Flat Ride Speculation

Poisson said:
I could see the Rapids being changed to a Rocking Boat system if the new installation elsewhere works well. Means restraints can be added etc and reduce/remove the lifeguards.

I'm not convinced Towers need a flume. They're popular for about 20 days a year and have huge running costs if done right, plus the H&S needed unless they can fit restraints?
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Excellent idea that tbh. Just when I see the best rapids around the world think the AT looks too gentle
 
From a personal point of view I’ll be really sad the day the Rapids no longer exists at AT, so many fond childhood memories of it. That said, it’s not exactly a ‘must do’ for me on the park nowadays, though I’m not sure the answer is to make it more aggressive and having riders coming off soaked through - barring about 6 weeks in a year. I think Towers will keep it plodding along for a while longer yet.
 
Probably already mentioned somewhere but something exactly the same as Jukebox and Liseberg would be terrific.

Light hearted theme, interactive element, thrilling but family friendly and low to the ground.

Supporting ride for Spinball or in the next generation of Cloud Cuckoo Land? Perfect.
 
I just wonder given the current investment levels wether other things will need to be prioritised (PH, Dungeons, TWWDW etc)

For me they make a perfect investment for mid season when perhaps the focus is on a different market such as next season.
 
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Ash said:
The British people have voted for lower immigration numbers, both legal and irregular for almost 20 years.

Up until around 97/98 the UK had never had a net migration number greater then 100k in modern history.

We have recently been at over 300k. The pace of change was lunacy in the extreme.

Combine this with many parts of the UK experiencing decreasing living standards since the 80s and this accelerating again since 2008. Particularly in post industrial/left behind areas such as my home city of Stoke On Trent.

Add to this the recent chaos of tens of thousands of people floating across the channel and ending up in hotels around the country in a perceived un-stoppable manner. It can’t go on.

People have asked, democratically, at the ballot box for this to be stopped and as a minimum controlled. And they are perfectly right to do so. The more they’ve been ignored the reaction has been once, combine this with the problems mentioned above (and i don’t believe they’re directly related) and you have a dangerous mix.

What Labour have announced today in my mind as a socially conservative, economically left voter (strong military, pro nationalisation, pro monarchy) seems perfectly inline with what they’ve said previously and recently and what people want.

Business have not and do not invest enough in their own companies (training/apprentices), how much of that is by design or ownership models remains to be seen but it needs to change. We have a huge increase in economically inactive people that also needs to change.

Migration is too high. Any reasonable planning in terms of school places, doctors appointments, houses etc have not supported and cannot support this influx. Migration should be a reasonably calculable number, based on a myriad of factors, taking most of the emotion out of it.

Large parts of this country do feel like living with strangers. And we’ve built our country this way. Segregated communities not only based on religion, but also based on wealth. Urban vs rural. North vs south.

And this has started with schools.

We can’t have communities that don’t feel British, don’t take part in British culture, have no interest in integration at all. I see it with my own eyes daily,
I’ve felt it with some voluntary work I’ve done and also 2nd hand from friends and relatives who deal with minority communities.

It’s huge problem, I hate it and don’t want it to carry on as it won’t end well. All sides need to contribute to society, at the moment it’s not working and it’s dangerous. As my city was once the jewel in the crown in the BNP, has experienced many riots including last summer, was classified as the capital of Brexit and had the first Brexit MP candidate (failed) I’ve seen all of this first hand over my lifetime. And I really struggle with even pretending to listen to voices who haven’t seen it, it’s pointless. (And yes i do read the guardian)

Farage isn’t the cause of all this, he’s the symptom. Of a broken country, lacking a vision of the future and any ideological or real concept of how to improve peoples standard of living. Just platitudes and blame. I worry the excuses are running out and as we get more unequal, as AI takes hold and as we give ourselves less and less options to do something different. Our problems will get bigger and bigger.
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So a Zamperla Nebulaz yeah?

In all seriousness, where did you mean to post that? 😂
 
D4n said:
Probably already mentioned somewhere but something exactly the same as Jukebox and Liseberg would be terrific.

Light hearted theme, interactive element, thrilling but family friendly and low to the ground.

Supporting ride for Spinball or in the next generation of Cloud Cuckoo Land? Perfect.
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Having been on Jukebox the other day, I'd say that would be perfect for Towers for offering something for the 1m-1.2m audience and above.

I think it would also suit either Paultons Park (I think it should've been an additional ride at Tornado Springs), Chessington or Drayton Manor very well.

This type of ride is made by Gerstlauer (Zamperla make a Sombrero but not quite the same and SBF make similar) though which I believe Merlin haven't worked with for new hardware since The Smiler. I'd imagine it may be plausible that Merlin will choose Zamperla or SBF if looking at a Polyp at one of their parks over Gerstlauer like Asterix and Liseberg did
 
I'm not sure if I have posted this in the correct thread, but I just had a quick question regarding Submission: it was stated in 2014 that the ride was removed as part of Alton Towers' long-term plan, but - 11 years later - the ride has still not been replaced.

Does anybody know what the original replacement for this ride was supposed to be? Am I correct in assuming that the plans were shelved due to cuts made following the 2015 Smiler crash?

Also: I have been told that there were plans at one stage to include flat rides inside the old Black Hole tent (before it was demolished), so if anybody has information on what these were supposed to be then I would be grateful!

P.S. For what it's worth, I would personally love to see a Superstar-type flat ride somewhere in X-Sector !
 
Secret Weapon said:
I'm not sure if I have posted this in the correct thread, but I just had a quick question regarding Submission: it was stated in 2014 that the ride was removed as part of Alton Towers' long-term plan, but - 11 years later - the ride has still not been replaced.

Does anybody know what the original replacement for this ride was supposed to be? Am I correct in assuming that the plans were shelved due to cuts made following the 2015 Smiler crash?
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I think it's fair to say that the only 'long term plan' involved in the removal of Submission was the park's long term plan to no longer have the ride in the park. There was never any indication at the time that the park had any plans in the pipeline for a replacement.

Considering that the park had published their actual Long Term Development Plan less than two years before, and that had no mention of replacing Submission, and the ride had significant repair work in 2013, it was clearly a very last minute decision when it was removed.

Secret Weapon said:
Also: I have been told that there were plans at one stage to include flat rides inside the old Black Hole tent (before it was demolished), so if anybody has information on what these were supposed to be then I would be grateful!
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There were several plans for the Black Hole tent before it was demolished. One of the alternatives considered for 2010, instead of Thirteen, would have seen 10 Robocoasters installed in the tent. The park also looked at installing the Duelling Deadstars in the tent, a pair of Vortexes by Technical Park.

Finally for 2012, an alternative to Nemesis Sub-Terra would have seen a project known as Area 51 installed in the tent. Not a huge amount is known about what this project would have entailed, but from the mood boards, it seems like it was basically the same concept as Sub-Terra, but with the Nemesis monster replaced by an alien.
 
Squiggs said:
There were several plans for the Black Hole tent before it was demolished.
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Thank you so much for all of the information! It is fascinating to hear all of these alternative plans, and so your response is very much appreciated :)

P.S. I unfortunately never visited the Boiler House scare maze in the old tent, but I would have been curious to see how the tent had been transformed before it was removed.
 
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