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I just meant park in general, theme/amusement. The thing is, (in my opinion) BPB have a lot of good rides, there's no point having loads of rides if they aren't good.I don't think BPB class themselves a themepark. Plus if we are considering the quantity of rides most local fairs have some great thrilling rides that even light up at night!
Not to be rude but no one is picking on you. When you enter a topic or forum with opinions and facts don't be surprised for people to question it, debate, oppose your views/facts. I don't think correcting people's typos (which near enough all of us do) is very mature either. Without being rude it appears pretty childish.
Anyway away from the food poisoning debate of closed season 2014/15... Going back to the brief mention of Merlin and budgets a page or so back. When it comes to new attractions Merlin do pump a lot of money into these things. It's just the execution of it is very poor. I actually think The Smiler could have been a big breakthrough for Merlin, if the ground works didn't become the mess they did I think would could have seen more theming in place of that, the 'concrete pit' would have never happened and we might have even seen something you could generally define as 'world class'. Arguably I think the ride itself is world class, the music is spot on, although the experience and theme as a whole just isn't realised enough.
Sub-Terra is another project that had a decent enough budget but the execution was poor. Although I do find the final version that we have now a bit of a guilty pleasure.
I believe if money is put in the right places and used wisely Merlin are fully capable of creating world class rides, attractions and creating a world class theme park. Look at what Tussuads achieved in the 90s. They proved as long as clever minds are at the table you can do a hell of a lot with a limited budget.
It is worrying that Merlin seem reluctant to support Towers with TLC for rides, attractions and the rest of the park, and that they do not provide Towers with the budgets they need. Budgets being cut each year really doesn't help departments across the resort either. At the moment Alton Towers and Merlin are coping fine, although how long do they leave it until everything is literally falling apart and guests really do start to turn away... If this Paramount park happens they will really have to up their game that's for sure.
Yeah, I'm the other way round but it's just down to personal preference really. I'm not saying that everyone should think that BPB is world class, just that I do whereas I don't find AT world class in the slightest (although it is a good park).I walk away from
BPB feeling like I've had a good day. I leave Alton Towers having had a great day. I don't know what it is, but there is something about it.
I still think AT is the best all round theme/amusement park in the UK. BPB is better for wooden coasters but AT is better as a general family park still.
If that's the case then the answer is no for Alton and for any other park in the world and we may as well not bother lol.
I agree with everything you've said.Great to see such a mix of opinions and strong feeling. There is clearly a lot of passion on Towerstreet forum.
The various arguments and positions have really made me think so here is my revised opinion.
On the one hand I believe we have a fantastic theme park in what I believe to be a world class setting. We have a collection of roller coasters that I believe ANY park in the world would be glad to have on their books with Nemesis being the jewel in the Crown (sorry Rita, but you don't do anything for me). I maintain that the setting is in many ways unrivalled, to the extent that no matter how much money PP throw at the London site on theming and intellectual property, it will not be in the same league.
BUT,we also have a park whose future growth potential is limited by its location, mainly due to poor transport links, but partly down to planning restrictions.
We have a management company that likes to invest in gimmicks, and that sometimes fails to complete the last ten percent of the job. Merlin should remember that a racehorse who runs just 1 second faster can be worth many times more.
We have increasing levels of up sell and for want of a better word Americanisation which I believe effects almost every park on the planet, often on a far worse scale.
We have catering that fails to provide a quality to value ratio that would compete with for example wetherspoons, but which represent better quality and value than cinemas, bowling alleys and other places with a captive audience. I don't believe that other theme parks are any better in this respect, but surely the whole idea is to eat quickly to maximise ride time.
And we have PP on the horizon that will have an almost unlimited budget in comparison and few planning restrictions. I still maintain that if you think that commercial action at Alton is bad, it will be nothing compared to what the Americans do.
I enjoy my day at Alton from the moment I arrive till the moment I leave. It gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling and a great adrenaline rush.
It is unique, special and amazing in so many ways,:and I fear for its future against PP, not because it is inferior but due to a belief that a fickle British public are easily blindsided by hype over substance.
Some of the criticisms of recent developments are valid, but I believe in the place and want it to succeed. It remains in the top echelons of parks for me, but Merlin need to raise their game in the future.
I HOPE THEY DO!
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Welcome to TowersStreet, your premier Alton Towers community.
I feel I've broken the ice now... Thanks!
BPB is better for wooden coasters but AT is better as a general family park still.
I wouldn't swap any of the SW hardware for anything from Disney at least. If you were to open negotiations surrounding the non SWs then I'd consider the notion, but it's the detail and atmosphere that make Disney special, not so much the rides. If you were to strip Disney of that and apply it to Towers, one would rapidly decline into a beyond saving failure, whilst the other would be basking in a glory that deep down, it does deserve.