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Legalisation of drugs
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Dave
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Fredward as i pointed out the physical effects of Cannabis and Tobacco are similar anyway.
Sam, i'm pro-legalising Cannabis but i think those who say it is safe are as deluded as those who smoke tobacco or drink in excess.
Those who want legalisation often under-play the risks of that which they want legal. I blame this on our need for a no-risk society. But for the sake of the NHS weed would need to be taxed as highly as tobacco.
Sam, i'm pro-legalising Cannabis but i think those who say it is safe are as deluded as those who smoke tobacco or drink in excess.
Those who want legalisation often under-play the risks of that which they want legal. I blame this on our need for a no-risk society. But for the sake of the NHS weed would need to be taxed as highly as tobacco.
Plastic Person
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Fredward said:DISCLAIMER: I just realised.. whenever I have said legalise drugs in this thread, I mean just weed.Don't mistake me for wanting heroin, crack and ecstasy legal!
But again, even these drugs, their effects and where you'll find them are wildly different. In general, recreational ecstasy users do not touch crack or heroin. I also disagree with Blaze's statement that people only smoke cannabis as it's cool or rebellious. This might seem true in high school or college, but many adults smoke it in their own home because these enjoy it.
But ecstasy is a highly addictive drug. So there's a fine line between recreational users and it being very bad.
Due to the nature of what the drug does is why I think its bad. Smoking tobacco/weed and drinking alcohol while the side effects can be bad, they are just tools to relax you, ecstasy gives you a massive rush which I can see some starting to depend on.
And Sam saying anyone who is against legalizing weed and ecstasy are hypocrites is just ignorant.
Due to the nature of what the drug does is why I think its bad. Smoking tobacco/weed and drinking alcohol while the side effects can be bad, they are just tools to relax you, ecstasy gives you a massive rush which I can see some starting to depend on.
And Sam saying anyone who is against legalizing weed and ecstasy are hypocrites is just ignorant.
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Is it ok to detest weed on the basis of the wretched STENCH that I used to be forced to put up with at Uni by my weed smoking neighbour? I almost dont care what it might do someone but, like cigarettes, it stinks!
At least having a pint doesn't stink a room out!
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At least having a pint doesn't stink a room out!
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Plastic Person
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Fredward said:
But ecstasy isn't physically addictive, as you point out. It's just incredibly pleasurable at it's peak, and could theoretically lead to dependency, yes, but no more than any other drug, and certainly no more than crack or cocaine. It's also a completely different experience to cocaine or such, which sees huge use amongst professionals and in the business world during working hours, as it inspires false confidence and is laced with energy. Nobody could work in finance on MDMA. Although the atmosphere in the office might be a bit lighter if they did.
James
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Sam said:
I guess I'm a hypocrite then.
I can't help but laugh at your posts Sam. I'm getting the "you're all wrong, I'm right" vibe with your posts. Sorry to say it, but that's how I feel.
I don't think drugs should be legalised. Although I do not agree with alcohol either - specifically binge drinking. Drinking has become an important part of society. It's used for social gatherings and a form of pleasure. Legalising drugs could following the same way, it will go from something that not many people do to something else, to something people do at social gatherings - it could lead to the use of drugs becoming like binge drinking.
The main issue with alcohol is that it was never controlled. The government let it blow out of control, not hitting hard on those who binge - hell, they could have made it illegal to binge drink - forcing people to stick within the limits.
If drugs were legalised the government again would do nothing to control it - give it 10 years and we'd find ourselves with a society of young teens that finds it 'fun' to get stoned and do another things that can get them killed.
I understand your reasons Sam for wanting it to be legalised - however this country does not need another few drugs added to the list of things that are already binged on.
Sam
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James and Fredward, why are you against the legalisation of cannabis when the evidence is incontrovertible that it is less harmful and dangerous than alcohol and tobacco?
You're basing your anti-drugs stance entirely on your own personal feelings, which is fine, but based on evidence-based policy making, it is nonsensical.
You're basing your anti-drugs stance entirely on your own personal feelings, which is fine, but based on evidence-based policy making, it is nonsensical.
James
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Sam said:
I'm not against it being legalised as it's less harmful. I'm against it being legalised as it could potentially follow the same way alcohol has turned into being abused legally by the masses.
I know drugs get abused equally although when it gets to the point of being legal to abuse it people will push the boundaries until the point of no return. I'm looking at this from a young teens perspective. Teens find it fun and exciting to drink until they can't see, have blackouts, collapse, vomit everywhere, end up in hospital - not my idea of 'fun' but that's how the masses work in this day in age.
I have the view that if drugs were to be legalised teens would over time, lets say, 10 years... it'll go from being something that is done socially to something that is abused. Teens will do it to get high, hallucinate and much like alcohol - get to the point where they do not know what they're doing.
The only reason tobacco isn't abused in such a way is due to the fact it does not have such an effect as alcohol does. You stay the same pretty much, it gives no personality change or any different feelings.
pluk
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James said:
Thing is, it kind of is already illegal. With the possible exception of speeding I'd say the most broken law in the country is serving a drunk person alcohol. It is not allowed but there is just zero enforcement of it.
As much as I hate American compensation culture it's one area that could work here, when a licensed premises allows someone to get themselves excessively drunk they are held partially responsible for their actions. As it stands there is no intensive for licensees to stop serving people, they just want their money.
I hate that law as the only way for pubs to continue to be run is serving alcohol, most people looking to get drink would pre drink before heading to the pub.
It's unfair for the pubs to get the blame when super markets like Tesco provide the majority of the alcohol.
As much as Sam would hate me for it. The law of increasing the minimum price for alcohol is a thumbs up in my book for that reason!
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It's unfair for the pubs to get the blame when super markets like Tesco provide the majority of the alcohol.
As much as Sam would hate me for it. The law of increasing the minimum price for alcohol is a thumbs up in my book for that reason!
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pluk said:
That's true. When I used to work in a pub I refused to sell alcohol to people I believe to have been severely drunk. Although we did serve drunk customers at the time too. Just the severe cases we refused.
Although in clubs particularly it's anything goes. I've gone on nights out, been off my face and have still bought loads of drinks to get me even more drunk. Although no action is taken. If the government were strict, took action, then things would have not blow out like this. Drinking has become so important in this country it's out of hand - and it's got to the point that if the government did get tough now there would be uproar across the country.
pluk
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Fredward said:
It is true that people serving themselves at home can still get as pissed as they like, but in general they don't cause anyone but themselves any trouble. The main problem I have with binge drinking culture is the fights and nuisance caused by public drunkenness. Enforcing not serving drunk people laws would stop the home binge before you go out as it would be pointless going out in such a state.
To stop people pickling themselves at home, well I don't really know how to stop that. But enforced price increase is a dumb sweeping reaction that effects sensible drinkers unfairly and has little effect on the truly alcohol dependant, as they will just steal it or something else to fund it anyway.
Plastic Person
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I despise Britain's binge drinking culture, although unfortunately, it is just that now, culture. Another argument in defence of cannabis or ecstasy at least, is nobody leaves clubs on them looking for a fight. I am a huge music fan and go clubbing quite regularly, to house/techno/bass etc. I don't view the places I go through any kind of rose-tinted glasses, but the atmosphere come 4 or 5AM is much different to that in a Tiger Tiger in any city centre in the UK. Although that's not only because of drugs, rather than excessive alcohol necessarily, but because people are there for music, rather than exclusively to get munted.
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Plastic Person said:
I completely agree with you there, although unfortunately it is a lot down to the people different cultures attract.
I also used to go clubbing regularly, all over the uk, and not only were people in a different frame of mind, but I always found the security much tighter on violence.
Most people can decipher a trouble maker from a clubber with a few pills.
The difference is 'town' clubs won't take action as much of the security fall into the 'trouble maker' category themselves!
I always found more established clubbing venues such as WHP & the emporium prime examples of sensible drug control. The only thing different for these places if drugs were legalised would be that the club/promoter doesn't get a slice of pie. Wether that's a good or bad thing I am undecided.
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