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Merlin Entertainments: General Discussion

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Great deal for fireworks sunday through the merlin holiday club for pass holders

£148 for 4 people in the AT hotel....would be £100 just for fireworks MAP upgrade so complete bargain,the parks closed monday though

I actually booked splash landings for £124 but got an email saying it won't be open so i've been moved to AT...a bit of luck at last
 

Must be hard up if they're flogging off Charlie Chaplin
You can add to the waxworks a couple of zipline attractions in Australia:

If you take it at face value, they're looking to concentrate on Merlin clusters, in the same way that they cancelled Legoland Belgium to focus on their existing Legolands.

I suppose the 'alternative' explanation is that they've had a poor season financially, and they're looking to balance the books without offloading anything that will have any major knock on effects.
 
As well as selling those assets it seems they are starting to close midways, with bear Gryllis in Birmingham shutting this year.

With @AstroDan’s comments in the AT topics about rumoured restructure and the clear issues in their parks I wonder if things really are looking poor for the company financially?
 
As well as selling those assets it seems they are starting to close midways, with bear Gryllis in Birmingham shutting this year.

With @AstroDan’s comments in the AT topics about rumoured restructure and the clear issues in their parks I wonder if things really are looking poor for the company financially?
So much conversational duplication in various threads, but I don't think that Merlin Entertainments as a whole group, is struggling financially. I do think that they may be considering their UK position, or offerings. I don't think this will have much further impact on the RTPs though, apart from the renaissance we were all hoping for not happening. I think it will be a very much "as is" approach, without much further significant investment, especially at Alton Towers.

I've posted these related posts in the "Existential Crisis?" thread, which I believe have some cross over.
The money is flowing, just not to the RTPs.

Compare the Legoland Shanghai Resort "Creator Train" float parade, which was part of the Shanghai Tourism Festival, with the launch performance for Hyperia. The two are in entirely different leagues. This is the same company, the same Merlin. The ability is there, the cash for the UK is not.


From: https://youtu.be/4IijtOlcpvM?si=bM27mMSLvAuE47r8

Double post, whip me.

Merlin isn't in the theme park, or leisure, industry in the UK really. It's in the membership subscription industry. I pay more for my PureGym membership than I do a MAP, spread throughout the year.

For those unaware of the PureGym model, they run hundreds of sites throughout the country. They're essentially unstaffed, with the trainers who are there being self-employed but still expected to contribute a bit to the general tidiness of the place. Access is granted by a barcode. The facilities are pretty bare bones, being nice and polished to begin with but quickly falling into disrepair within about a year of opening. The showers are functional, but usually surrounded by black mould. The cardio machines and weights machines are a plenty, but in various states of disrepair. They mostly work, but when something goes wrong it's out of action for quite some time. They do occasionally run classes, but they're not of a great standard, not frequent and not varied. I have access to a pretty substandard product, 24/7, 365.

£22.99 a month isn't absolutely loads, it's enough for me to not miss it. It's enough for me to see coming up in my transaction list every month and go "well I may as well keep it there, I do get some use out of it". There are some months when I go to the gym 4-5 times a week, there are months that life gets in the way and I just forget. Whenever I do go, I don't have a great time. I enjoy the workout, but I'm aware of how peeling everything is at the edges, but then I remember I'm ONLY paying £22.99 a month for it and think "well, it's not that bad".

Merlin, in the UK, operate in the same way. The offering is enough, against the subscription rate, for it to be just about worthwhile and more hassle to cancel it. Bad visits happen, the next one might be better. I can always visit another attraction.

There are other gyms near me, of course. There's the local council owned leisure centre, operated by a third party private entity. For £55.99 I get worse access than I do to PureGym. Sure there's a swimming pool, which I'll occasionally have a splash about in, but I can't justify more than double the price for what may be a more enjoyable environment and experience, for worse access and roughly the same offering.

For the purpose of this analogy, the local leisure centre is your Drayton Manor, Blackpool Pleasure Beach, or Paulton's Park, or other UK theme park operator. They have annual passes, which roughly fall in line with Merlin's pricing (or are wildly out), but I don't feel as though they offer the same level of value compared to the price. I get multiple venues with my MAP, of roughly acceptable quality. The environments of the other parks may be better, the variety may be fresher for me, but it's not quite enough to get me to switch. They're the swimming pools of the analogy. I'll go and pay for access to the pool / park occasionally, for a splash about, but that's it.

Universal. Universal! UNIVERSAL! UNIVERSAL WILL SOLVE ALL! - Universal, if it ever happens, would be comparable to a David Lloyd. World class spas, tennis and racquet courts, restaurants and bars, one of the most premium offerings you could hope for a leisure facility going. At £194.00 a month it is outside of my affordability zone. The offering is unparalleled, yes. Maybe one day. If I save up, I could possibly afford it. If I have a friend who's a member, I could probably afford to pay for a day pass. In reality though, I'm priced out. David Lloyd isn't competing with PureGym. David Lloyd hasn't killed PureGym. David Lloyd hasn't forced PureGym to up its game. The two exist in entirely different worlds. The only thing which connects them is that they have similar equipment for me to use, but that's where the parallels end.

Towers will toddle along. Occasionally Merlin will purchase some new trendy weight/cardio machine for the gym coaster / ride for the park. Once in a while the park's local budget will allow them to get the contractors in and remove that black mould in the showers, but it'll come back. It'll get a paint over, maybe a small refresh. There'll be a special event and price promotion to get people back and through the door, and when they've realised that it's not THAT bad and actually, for £14 a month (the price of my gold MAP spread across a year), they could see themselves making multiple visits throughout the year. A day out is a day out, even a poor or bad one, you're bound to have a better one. It's not that much, you can afford it, you won't miss it. It's not that bad. It's cheaper than a gym membership after all.
 
Not surprised Bear Grylls is closing - it requires a very high number of staff and never seemed to be all that popular. I would be shocked if it ever made a profit.

Question I have now is, does this look to be an early sign that other midways may close too? The London ones obviously do okay, but outside that?
 
Not surprised Bear Grylls is closing - it requires a very high number of staff and never seemed to be all that popular. I would be shocked if it ever made a profit.

Question I have now is, does this look to be an early sign that other midways may close too? The London ones obviously do okay, but outside that?
I think the rest of the Birmingham offering might be safe, the email does make specific reference to it.

"Our focus remains on Merlin’s ‘Gateway City’ strategy which includes significant new investments in the Midlands region. In 2024 alone, we are set to complete two ambitious projects with a total £25 million investment, including the recently opened Cadbury Chocolate Quest ride at Cadbury World and a new 60-room medieval themed hotel at Warwick Castle. Our focus therefore will be on continuing to grow our sites which will deliver both jobs and growth to the city and wider region."

I'm not sure how Blackpool fares, but I would imagine quite well given its location. We could see a closure of some of the other Sea-Life centres, but they get an awful lot of grant capital so unsure.
 
It seemed to be notoriously hard to book a slot with the merlin pass. I never went myself but it came up frequently in the MAP groups. It was then often reported that when people manage to book a slot, the place wasn’t even busy.


Edit: just read the email. Proof reading top notch as always.

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Not surprised at all- it quite an unusual location near resorts world and not a lot of passing trade. Also quite niche things inside of it to do.
Will be interested to see if any of the equipment turns up anywhere else in the Merlin portfolio.

I do predict that Blackpool maybe the next to see something go.
 
I don't know what to say about this but I suppose they might be moving the bear Grylls adventure somewhere else
 

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