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Merlin Entertainments: General Discussion

We've been discussing the state of Merlin on our travels; I was interested in my partners take on it as an MD for a thriving national company that has been through various sales/acquisition processes - whilst I have business operational knowledge, he knows far more about this on a larger scale than I! The conclusion we came to is that Merlin is absolutely showing the warning signs of a potentially unstable business based on the available data; With their unfavorable borrowing conditions, spending to get out of the position they are in would in itself be a huge risk, dependent on their available liquid CAPEX funding. What we also need to consider in regards to a 'spend your way out/invest' scenario is that shiny new attractions are somewhat blighted by the following: substantial increase (around 25-40% vs 5 years ago) in cost of raw materials & a decline in disposable income, leading to changed personal spending habits in the UK - perhaps meaning an elongated ROI payback period.

Normally, primary focus in this *assumed* business position (aside from any already live projects) would be, as discussed throughout the thread, on cost & efficiencies: head count reduction and asset sweating (often just running a business on as little as possible for as long as possible before considering disposals). In terms of sale, investors rarely invest in unstable businesses, preferentially businesses with stability & capacity for growth. The potential new Universal project would likely be a major red flag for investors also, however, the iconic status of some of Merlins UK portfolio could be an attractive opportunity to any potential investors or competitors (the latter usually buy struggling assets below market price).

I've said for some time now that I wouldn't be surprised if Merlin eventually disposed of Towers/midways and focused on its London cluster. Legoland is pretty popular, Chessington is receiving planned investment with a strong IP library and Thorpe could benefit from UGB tourism with some improvement. The seismic expansion Merlin had in a relatively small window of time was probably too ambitious, especially when they had to deal with big challenges such as 2016 and the Pandemic. I was working for the company during 2016-beyond, anyone else who was, may have also have felt the inevitable fall out in every corner of the company :( It feels like they were juggling too many balls and started to drop them all one-by-one.

There is no denying that Merlin UK has been innovative or that it has some great, much loved assets. Yet, there is already night and day between our UK parks (with exception of my beloved Paultons which I will never accept ANY slander of 😂😒) and other European offerings in terms of quality, experience & operations, even the pride in which they deliver the product. With this and the presumed financial whirlpool they are currently navigating, I wouldn't want to be the one trying to plan the company out of it!
 
One thing with Merlin forget to mention Blackstone Group part own Merlin along with Lego so while this is w slight down turn they have financial backing from Lego and Blackstone Group

Blackstone are not generally in the business of propping up companies, Kirkby maybe would but Blackstone will drop Merlin like a stone if it becomes a weight around their neck and I’m not sure Kirkby could pick up the rest of the business.

If Merlin started to fail I would guess the group would be split up and sold, Kirkby would keep the Lego parks and the rest sold as one entity or split up and sold as individual assets.

The issue is although Towers is profitable I think the only people likely to buy it are Looping or Aspro, Looping are a mixed bag (done well with Drayton and the Safari park but have killed off other parks), Aspro is the nightmare scenario.
 
The issue is although Towers is profitable I think the only people likely to buy it are Looping or Aspro, Looping are a mixed bag (done well with Drayton and the Safari park but have killed off other parks), Aspro is the nightmare scenario.
Hmm... I'm not so sure - I don't think those parks could afford to buy Towers.

I'm thinking it would most likely be either Six Flags, Compagnie des Alpes (Walibi and Parc Asterix) or Parque Reuindos (Parque Warner etc.) if anything.

Outside bet would be Herschend but I think they'd choose Paultons if they wanted to go into the UK market.

The only other realistic scenario is an independent split.
 
Hmm... I'm not so sure - I don't think those parks could afford to buy Towers.

I'm thinking it would most likely be either Six Flags, Compagnie des Alpes (Walibi and Parc Asterix) or Parque Reuindos (Parque Warner etc.) if anything.

Outside bet would be Herschend but I think they'd choose Paultons if they wanted to go into the UK market.

The only other realistic scenario is an independent split.

Looping is about as big as Alpes these days, Six Flags/ Busch are not in great shape financially at the moment either so I doubt they would take the risk.
 
Looping is about as big as Alpes these days, Six Flags/ Busch are not in great shape financially at the moment either so I doubt they would take the risk.
With Looping, their focus is on smaller parks whilst Alpes offer more of a flagship park offering with Walibi and Asterix.

They are similar sizes in terms of park numbers however the scale of the parks of Alpes is larger.

I don't think United Parks (Busch/Seaworld) would've been likely but an outside bet like Herschend 🤔

An interesting bet would be Mandy though.
 
With Looping, their focus is on smaller parks whilst Alpes offer more of a flagship park offering with Walibi and Asterix.

They are similar sizes in terms of park numbers however the scale of the parks of Alpes is larger.

I don't think United Parks (Busch/Seaworld) would've been likely but an outside bet like Herschend 🤔

An interesting bet would be Mandy though.
Alps Parks are great but they do favour parks over other Parc Asterix, Futuroscope and Walibi Belgium currently their flagship parks whereas Bellewarde, Family Park, Walibi Rhone-Alps and Walibi Holland get less attention
 
Alpes would be my preferred, hypothetical choice for an Alton takeover. Asterix has developed nicely in the last decade, including on the resort side, and there are definite analogs between the two parks in scale, age and cultural footprint.

However, Alton is a challenge for any potential owner; the unwieldy size of the estate and the low-level decay left to fester throughout much of it's infrastructure is hardly appealing. My instinct is that it will limp on under Merlin.
 
It is going to be interesting to see how Merlin will be coming 2031 or even if they'll still be around by then.

That said, can't help but feel that with Universal's announcement or not, it seems rather curiously that Merlin looked as though they have utterly crapped the bed with Universal coming to the UK with cuts and such even if all these things were going to happen even if UGB wasn't happening. I generally have to wonder if Merlin UK are able to compete with a power that can rival or dominate them in the UK theme park scene in which will be alien territory for them and given how much of a tailspin they are in, I feel that they are going to be exposed badly.

That said, the fact that they are getting Chessie and Thorpe ready for the impact means they are willing to try though there is indeed a big question mark over Towers if it has a future under Merlin or a future period if you believe the grifters.
 
It is going to be interesting to see how Merlin will be coming 2031 or even if they'll still be around by then.

That said, can't help but feel that with Universal's announcement or not, it seems rather curiously that Merlin looked as though they have utterly crapped the bed with Universal coming to the UK with cuts and such even if all these things were going to happen even if UGB wasn't happening. I generally have to wonder if Merlin UK are able to compete with a power that can rival or dominate them in the UK theme park scene in which will be alien territory for them and given how much of a tailspin they are in, I feel that they are going to be exposed badly.

That said, the fact that they are getting Chessie and Thorpe ready for the impact means they are willing to try though there is indeed a big question mark over Towers if it has a future under Merlin or a future period if you believe the grifters.
I think with Towers they have been freshening up the park this year whole load new wood, new paint jobs and other good things. If they continue to do that it will be a much better park.

There have been rumours that Galactica and The Smiler will be getting Jetwashes soon because the grime is making it difficult to inspect. Also I think The Smiler restraints will be changed soon Stinkiest restraints I have ever known they smell dreadful
 
I think with Towers they have been freshening up the park this year whole load new wood, new paint jobs and other good things. If they continue to do that it will be a much better park.

There have been rumours that Galactica and The Smiler will be getting Jetwashes soon because the grime is making it difficult to inspect. Also I think The Smiler restraints will be changed soon Stinkiest restraints I have ever known they smell dreadful
'Whole Load of New Wood'

Yeah, uh, no. That's not a positive. At all.
 
I think with Towers they have been freshening up the park this year whole load new wood, new paint jobs and other good things. If they continue to do that it will be a much better park.

There have been rumours that Galactica and The Smiler will be getting Jetwashes soon because the grime is making it difficult to inspect. Also I think The Smiler restraints will be changed soon Stinkiest restraints I have ever known they smell dreadful
Sounds all good if the rumours are true however the park needs PH built as the GP don't care all the freshing up stuff as to them the only way to get people to see that the park is looking on the up as right now the park is not in a good place despite all the fixes taking place.
 
I think with Towers they have been freshening up the park this year whole load new wood, new paint jobs and other good things. If they continue to do that it will be a much better park.

There have been rumours that Galactica and The Smiler will be getting Jetwashes soon because the grime is making it difficult to inspect. Also I think The Smiler restraints will be changed soon Stinkiest restraints I have ever known they smell dreadful
Those all come under the umbrella of standard maintenance which any park worth its salt should be doing anyway. Certainly not things that should be advertised or celebrated.

If your coasters are so dirty that they cannot be safely inspected then you're doing something very wrong.

I'm all for a bit of optimism to balance out the negativity on here but are we really suggesting that replacing rotten fences and cleaning rides constitute getting 'Universal ready'?
 
Those all come under the umbrella of standard maintenance which any park worth its salt should be doing anyway. Certainly not things that should be advertised or celebrated.

If your coasters are so dirty that they cannot be safely inspected then you're doing something very wrong.

I'm all for a bit of optimism to balance out the negativity on here but are we really suggesting that replacing rotten fences and cleaning rides constitute getting 'Universal ready'?
Of course it's something little and should be done anyone but something little can go a long way. And does add up the more you do
 
I'm all for a bit of optimism to balance out the negativity on here but are we really suggesting that replacing rotten fences and cleaning rides constitute getting 'Universal ready'?
That's the problem, anything positive is so lacking that we are forced to find anything. Honestly it's a negative situation in which is why we have so many thoosie grifters who are all preparing to have parties at Merlin's collapse such is the pure loathing.
 
There have been rumours that Galactica and The Smiler will be getting Jetwashes soon because the grime is making it difficult to inspect.
Galactica was jet washed last closed season as usual. Or the easily accessible bits anyway.

Please give citation and links to any rumours before making clear statements that something will happen. especially regarding safety implications
 
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