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GaryH

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Surprised no one has started a topic on this, but I wondered what people's thoughts were on the results of the voting in the UK and across Europe?
 
It is a rise of the far right both at home and abroad. Could this be the start of the fall of the EU? All we do know is if the far right gains control of the UK, brace for privatisation of EVERYTHING.

This has echoes of the 1930's. Let's hope it is just coincidence......
 
Remember 80 years ago when Britain and France were the two countries that stood up against fascism? Now they let them win their euro elections. Tragic.
 
Agreed, these xenophobic fear mongers have no place in modern society. And don't get me started on the BBC blowing smoke up Farages arse constantly.
 
TheMan said:
Agreed, these xenophobic fear mongers have no place in modern society. And don't get me started on the BBC blowing smoke up Farages arse constantly.
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And yet they still act as if the entire media is after them. They get more attention than any other party nowadays and they don't even have an MP.

As for my thoughts on the actual party, it's not the racism part that makes me hate them, it's that in my opinion the only sort of party that would double prison places, build 3 aircraft carriers and get rid of the human rights act is a fascist party. The aircraft carrier thing is what worries me most. Just think about it, they say they oppose foreign wars, so what exactly would those carriers be used for? Scary stuff imo.
 
My views are that while I agree there should be much better border controls and a clamp down on immigration, with the introduction of a points system like in some other countries, I dont agree with leaving Europe and I am somewhat worried by all the far right parties winning seats. This is how Hitler started off.

However, I think that governments across the EU have ignored their peoples worries and concerns about the open door immigration policy that they have now opted to vote in these new parties. I guess its the only way to now get their voices heard.

Will UKIP win the Gen Election next year, I doubt it, and I hope not, not because of immigration, but because of all their other policies. And I think the economy would go tits up too. But who is there left to vote for? No one really. Lib Dems always have been a shambles, Labour need a better leader, Green can go and hug some trees for all I care, so that just leaves the Conservatives, which at the moment seem the better out of a bad bunch....
 
Adam said:
The aircraft carrier thing is what worries me most. Just think about it, they say they oppose foreign wars, so what exactly would those carriers be used for? Scary stuff imo.
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They'd probably use them to carry all their BBC propaganda around ;D and paint it CBeebies colours lol!
 
The way I see it the world will either go two ways in the next 50 years, communism or fascism. I suppose the same was said back in the 1920's, but looking at the state of capitalism I honestly can't see this system lasting any longer than 50 years, or whenever the oil finally runs out. It's reached a point where economic globalisation is becoming unsustainable and more and more people are wanting change.

*The genuine "World Communism" kind, not the pretend USSR kind.
 
^Generous

I don't really like the EU because it is more barriers between the rulers and the ruled.
Laws can only change so much. There won't be a legislation-heavy benevolent state.
I don't like formalising things, especially on such a large scale.

That said, it sucks that there is no representation for this that isn't xenophobic.
For me it's nothing to do with it being different nations, it is to do with the foundations being rotten.
The EU is in theory very permanent and I don't think we have the basics down yet.

But, also, I didn't vote. I don't want to be drawn into the politics drama.
Maybe, in the general election, I will vote Labour just because it gets tight here.
But I don't see any value in getting really into it because they are not really the public's servants.
 
Sam said:
GaryH said:
Green can go and hug some trees for all I care
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Such concise and rational reasoning, you've clearly put a lot of thought into this.
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Greens:
EU Referendum: YES (interesting this was not widely advertised on mainstream media?)
Renationalise Rail/Energy Infrastucture: YES
Explicitly oppose neoliberalism: YES
Monetary Reform: YES
Oppose TTIP: YES
End the ideological war on drugs: YES
Universal Basic Income: YES

I don't see hugging trees in there.

I've recently had a lot do with certain people in their high rankings and found them very proactive, supportive, and to carry out their promises unlike many other politicians I have tried to deal with.

The way they are viewed is ridiculous and I having switched from centre centre/left to firmly Greens I am a vociferous supporter of them.
 
TheMan said:
Greens:
EU Referendum: YES (interesting this was not widely advertised on mainstream media?)
Renationalise Rail/Energy Infrastucture: YES
Explicitly oppose neoliberalism: YES
Monetary Reform: YES
Oppose TTIP: YES
End the ideological war on drugs: YES
Universal Basic Income: YES

I don't see hugging trees in there.

I've recently had a lot do with certain people in their high rankings and found them very proactive, supportive, and to carry out their promises unlike many other politicians I have tried to deal with.

The way they are viewed is ridiculous and I having switched from centre centre/left to firmly Greens I am a vociferous supporter of them.
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The Green's transport policy is far too overbearing for me. That's a major factor for me. They also want to completely stop all nuclear power generation.

Their other policies are admirable, but as a package I just can't support them.
 
Dar said:
The Green's transport policy is far too overbearing for me. That's a major factor for me. They also want to completely stop all nuclear power generation.

Their other policies are admirable, but as a package I just can't support them.
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I don't agree with everything but having them close to opposition or power would allow many of their more moderate social justice policies to gain more attention from the public.

Also, I totally support the removal of nuclear power. Some guys in the states have invented solar road, there are so many alternative options available now with more serious investment and time viable renewable is a much more serious option.

SOLAR ROAD:
http://www.solarroadways.com/intro.shtml
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlTA3rnpgzU#ws

There is however, not so much money for interested parties. I would wager many inventions have not seen the light of day or presently are sat on shelves until the oil runs out.

Greens are not getting elected for a long, long time, but without further public support their frankly excellent attitudes towards society in general will not see the light of day or continue being stolen and claimed by scummy mainstream politicians.

You'd be surprised how many already have.
 
My biggest problem with the Green party is they can't shake the image that they're a middle class, champagne socialist party for wet middle class liberals, I want to support them but they constantly annoy me. Apparently they've not been that great for Brighton either. I voted for them in the European elections as they are by far the best big party, and I am impressed with their leadership taking an active stance against things like page 3 and fracking. Wouldn't see any other party leaders doing that. It's pathetic the way they're ignored by the media and portrayed as technology hating hippies who want us to live in mud huts. If any party want the population to live in mud huts, it's the Tories.

The Greens are slowly on the up. Official opposition in a number of places, including Liverpool, which is fantastic. It's a big achievement to have come this far with so little attention, and to maintain it. If Labour won't turn back, there needs to be someone standing against the right wing. But with the rise of the far right, it may be in vain.
 
I think having spoken to Natalie, that they have a far more grounded and wider reaching view now. I agree with how they were viewed in the past, but having worked directly with a few of their party spokespeople etc I can confirm they are VERY pro-active, grounded and sensible now in their approach. In fact, I've found them to be incredibly impressive.

This is the first time I would class myself as having a party I would actually join and be proud to be a part of. No, they are not perfect, and I most certainly don't agree with everything they do - but I would wager that unlike the other wet flaccid and at times frankly vulgar politicians we have in the mainstream, that they would certainly carry out their promises if they got elected.

That isn't going to happen, however, they need to start campaigning based upon good policies the other tossers have claimed credit for so people realise they've already had a positive impact on society.

I want to see them as strong opposition with their positive policies getting more media attention, rather than the punitive elitist crap we have now. Alarmist politics must be done away with, it's only in the interest of the few and to allow them to push through disgusting policies. The Lib Dems helped and thanks to Clegg they're finished. The Greens is they really focus on their social justice policies could hoover up an awful lot of LD/Lab and even some Tory voters - but the media just wont give them the chance.

Crikey, even Louise Mensch was going crazy about how little attention they are being given, given the validity of their wider policy ideas!
 
I did broach this topic but I used the 'what is wrong with the government?' thread, as these threads regularly turn into slagging off various political parties and it seemed a more apt title!
 
I'm not sure who I'll be voting for next year. I was considering Labour until they decided to give into the right wing and chase the anti immigrant votes, I'd consider Lib Dems if they get rid of Clegg, and I'd consider voting Green on the basis of them probably being the best biggish party (by default) but out of those three I'm not sure either of them in government really appeal massively to me. Might consider Left Unity if they have a candidate for my area, but even if I did they'll never win anyway.
 
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