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PS4 or Xbox One

Well, just when Sony's one-upmanship was working so well...

Sony has said it will not dictate a pre-owned DRM policy and instead has said the "decision is for third-party games will be up to publishers".

Sony Computer Entertainment America president and CEO Jack Tretton appeared on GTTV and fielded questions about the PlayStation 4, eventually tackling the issue of pre-owned, trading and lending.

"The DRM decision for third-party games will be up to publishers," he said, going on to state first-party Sony titles will not have DRM.
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http://www.computerandvideogames.com/412976/sony-confirms-ps4-pre-owned-drm-is-up-to-third-parties/

Oh dear.
 
my AW laptop is fine and has been for the 2/3 years i've had it, they are the same as any windows system except in a fancy case so they aren't any more buggy then normal windows... though you will be on Windows 8 so thats not saying much :p

Nick said:
Handheld devices have gone due to the popularity of smart phones, and now it seems that consoles are definitely on the way out. We've seen it with the Wii U, and it'll probably happen with the PS4 and the Xbox One.
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The Wii U hasn't been successful due to poor poor POOR advertising, I believe it's doing very very well in the east, so are all the portable consoles. Nintendo has always been successful that area of the world.

I genuinely am really into the PS4, if it wasn't so expensive I would have bought my first console since the wii first came out. It's a case of what comes first me getting enough money for me to build a very high spec desktop (needed for worky stuff not just games!) Or the PS4 getting cheaper, either would probably be not for a long long time.

I'm not really interested in Xbox One at all currently, not just because the PS4 looks better currently, I just have been rather irritated on what Microsoft has been doing recently so I think that is slightly tainting my view of the Xbox a little more then what it should be!


EDIT: one sec, I only paid attention to how much the Xbox costs...

The PS4 is not bad at all! I wouldn't call that expensive tbh! I may get one when it comes out if I have money for it after the occulus rift I said I'll save up for!! :p
 
Alastair said:
Well, just when Sony's one-upmanship was working so well...

Sony has said it will not dictate a pre-owned DRM policy and instead has said the "decision is for third-party games will be up to publishers".

Sony Computer Entertainment America president and CEO Jack Tretton appeared on GTTV and fielded questions about the PlayStation 4, eventually tackling the issue of pre-owned, trading and lending.

"The DRM decision for third-party games will be up to publishers," he said, going on to state first-party Sony titles will not have DRM.
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http://www.computerandvideogames.com/412976/sony-confirms-ps4-pre-owned-drm-is-up-to-third-parties/

Oh dear.
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It's the same concept which was used for the previous generations of consoles. :)
In essence, he is on about online passes which some developers use or did use to use (such as EA) so people had to pay again.

If anything, most developers are abolishing this now. :)


Microsoft are putting fees on the games that they publish (which is many exclusives) and these games can only be used one two separate consoles, whereas the PS4's games can be used on an unlimited amount of consoles.

The third party games then have the same rules that you stated above. :)
 
I think Playstation have no choice but to offer an option for developers to add DRM otherwise more publishers will pressure developers to make more xbox titles as they will get more money.

I do believe they should concentrate on creating a game you wouldn't want to sell back to Game, either with a lot to do, a compelling multi player, or promise of decent DLC to stop people selling the game rather then stop people buying used copies.

i do believe in reducing or getting rid of the amount of used games around, but I don't support how xbox are dealing with it, they way steam does it is great brilliantly cheap game sales to compensate no used games, I doubt they would do that with xbox or ps3, with distribution costs I don't think they would be able to make a game sales as cheap as steam.
 
I would go for a PS4, but I have only used my PS3 for DVD's in the last year
 
I just watch game playthroughs now, so I want be buying either. However. I think Microsoft is dying. Sony are simply playing it safe and responding to consumer demand after making the mistake that Microsoft is now making.

This mistake: Making a product that works best for them and the big game publishers. Microsoft is not here to impress consumers like Sony is trying to. Microsoft is instead trying to market to big publishers and media companies. They have ignored the consumers, they have gotten cocky and thought that the brand and the games will be enough.

And now here is the worst part: They already know they have lost. Sony has won twice now. They have the cheaper console and the console that appeals to the consumers. They got to the point, whereas Microsoft made things more complicated.
 
I will be going outside and occasionally playing on my 360 shiny kinect version to play MW2 and minecraft. Occasionally BO:II
 
You know what I find odd about this all? It seems like we've seen a bit of a role reversal in the market!

When the Playstation 3 and Xbox360 were on the way it seemed Sony was pushing the "more than just a games console" side of things, with catchup TV, online extras, movie streaming, the latest digital media support, etc; while Microsoft went for the "It plays games, and plays them well" aspect, where anything more was a bonus.

Now it seems though that Sony has gone back to the basics which made the Playstation and Playstation 2 such successful platforms. They've focused on making it what looks to be a very good console first and foremost, and then building on top of that with other new features as more of an afterthought. Microsoft on the other hand is shifting towards the one-for-all approach.

I think both have their good and bad features. For me ultimately Sony comes out on top, as I just generally prefer their approach based on past performance, compared to Microsoft (I can't remember the last time I booted my 360. It just sits there, acting as a very expensive paperweight!). The thing which will no doubt make or break it though will be price and launch date.

People like to have the latest gadgets. When Apple launches a new iPhone or iPad there's a sudden rush of people swarming to get them, regardless of any issues which may appear down the line (Looking at you iOS Maps!). The console which launches first will no doubt see a rush of people getting them, regardless of price, while others hang off for the cheaper alternative.

With online gaming being so prominent in the last generation of consoles I think that reflected this. The 360 was plauged with problems when it launched, but people still bought them in spite of that. I'm sure this was because it was the first to the market at the time, but also, with online gaming services increasing in popularity players wanted what their friends had, so they could challenge them to games online and compete without needing to be in the same room. As a result, when the PS3 arrived on the scene, many people had already taken up Microsoft's offerings, and had blown their budget for that moment. The overshaddowing of the Sony system must of had quite an effect on initial takeup figures?

But my point is, timing and then price will probably be the decider for a lot of people. It's interesting from my point of view though seeing some many serious Xbox gamers turning around and saying "You know what, the PS4 looks quite good actually!". I think this time around we might see a fair few people coming back to Sony. It's like an old friend who got shunned after all those years for the new kid, only for him to turn out to be a prat, and have everyone revert back to their old friend :p
 
Most likely getting the XB1 first for a couple of reasons:

-Most of the problems most people have such as the preowned block and always online don't affect me too heavily. I rarely buy preowned or sell my games, and I'm always connected anyway (I don't get this problem anyway - most homes have a wireless box they can use anyway). Kinect always on? Wrong, turn the power off at the socket.
-The version exclusives look more appealing to me (Forza, Halo, Project Spark, The Crew, Minecraft, Quantum Break).
-I'll most likely use the entertainment side of it.
-While it's £70 more expensive, premium membership for both is £40 per year. I have a years worth of XBL Gold from Christmas so it's only a £30 difference.
-The people I play with most are also getting the XB1.
-Both consoles have basically the same specs anyway, so it's the extra bits that'll make the difference, which is what annoyed me when people were angry when the first press conference had more about the entertainment side. For me, these add ons are the difference makers.

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I think I'll be going for the PS4. It has most of the games the X1 does, but it's cheaper.

The X1 showed a lot of great games at the Microsoft conference. It went really well until they announced the price. £425 is far too much for a console. I'm also not fond of the way you need to connect online every 24 hours. If your Internet goes down, the X1 becomes useless. It's better to pay less for a console I can actually use.

Ill admit that I mostly use my Xbox now as an entertainment system. However, as most of the features won't be available in the UK at launch, or even ever, I'll wait for a while before investing.

The PS4 has lots of great features. With the exception of Forza 5, which looks fantastic, it has all the new games that would interest me. Again, not too sure ill get it at launch, but I'm normally an early adopter so I probably will :p

I would ask why Nintendo haven't been included here, but their showing for E3 is barely inspiring to say the least. The new 3D Mario game is nothing more than a sequel to Super Mario 3D Land for 3DS. Also, Retro's 'big title' was nothing more than a new Donkey Kong Country game that nobody asked for. With third party support almost non-existent seven months into the systems life, press about it being exclusively negative, and even Nintendo not being that bothered, the system will be dead by 2015. Shame, because I really like it, but Nintendo have only themselves to blame.
 
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SLC said:
Kinect always on? Wrong, turn the power off at the socket.

-While it's £70 more expensive, premium membership for both is £40 per year. I have a years worth of XBL Gold from Christmas so it's only a £30 difference.

-Both consoles have basically the same specs anyway, so it's the extra bits that'll make the difference, which is what annoyed me when people were angry when the first press conference had more about the entertainment side. For me, these add ons are the difference makers.

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Well you can't run the console without the Kinect, so I feel unplugging the thing by the mains not exactly a consumer friendly way to do it.

You are a bit wrong with the spec, the GDDR5 RAM will be a fair bit better then the GDDR3 RAM the Xbox will have. But apart from that, their spec seems easonably comparable

With the membership, the PlayStation membership is non compulsory, PlayStation plus tends to be a better service that allows you to get some games for free every month, Xbox live is really paying to go online and paying to see adverts when using their online services.


I found the only reasonably argument you had was it was the console all your friends are getting.


Edit: sigh, Microsoft being dicks again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiUzaqO ... ata_player
 
Fredward said:
SLC said:
Kinect always on? Wrong, turn the power off at the socket.

-While it's £70 more expensive, premium membership for both is £40 per year. I have a years worth of XBL Gold from Christmas so it's only a £30 difference.

-Both consoles have basically the same specs anyway, so it's the extra bits that'll make the difference, which is what annoyed me when people were angry when the first press conference had more about the entertainment side. For me, these add ons are the difference makers.

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Well you can't run the console without the Kinect, so I feel unplugging the thing by the mains not exactly a consumer friendly way to do it.

You are a bit wrong with the spec, the GDDR5 RAM will be a fair bit better then the GDDR3 RAM the Xbox will have. But apart from that, their spec seems easonably comparable

With the membership, the PlayStation membership is non compulsory, PlayStation plus tends to be a better service that allows you to get some games for free every month, Xbox live is really paying to go online and paying to see adverts when using their online services.


I found the only reasonably argument you had was it was the console all your friends are getting.


Edit: sigh, Microsoft being dicks again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiUzaqO ... ata_player
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I meant unplug the box itself, as Kinect is built in. Unless I'm missing the point :p

PS4 does have the slightly better specs, yes, but I don't feel like it would make a world of difference with such small differences overall.

And Sony are making PSN+ compulsory for those who want to play online, so it'll be the same on Xbox. One difference is that you need gold to watch things like Netflix on the Xbox but you don't need PSN+ to do the same on the PS4. Xbox Gold members are getting free games every month, but I assume Sony will do the same.

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Edit: I think we're all actually warming to the idea of moving to the PC. Should be good.
 
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