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Ride Access Pass and Disabled Access - 2024 Discussion

That's a well known empty threat, in part because they don't know who's actually not scanned in.
I know it’s an obvious question but how does this work then, do the scanners just cross check whether the pass is valid or not valid and base entry on that?

Last time at Chessington the people at the gate were checking every single person’s bookings but I’d have thought the system would at least show if there was a booking or not.
 
RAP bookings only ask for your RAP access card number.

And presumably because pre-booking RAP is different to pre-booking your MAP they can't tell who is visiting with who.
 
RAP bookings only ask for your RAP access card number.

And presumably because pre-booking RAP is different to pre-booking your MAP they can't tell who is visiting with who.

It’s linked to your account though, be it checking in digitally at those parks or having it verified by guest services at the paper parks so the data exists no? We always get an email survey afterwards.
 
Talking about MAP bookings as opposed to RAP bookings, I'm pretty sure there is no way for the scanners at the turnstiles to flag up whether you have or haven't pre-booked. Hence the apparent penalty for booking with MAP and not turning up would appear to be unenforceable.

I don't really see them bringing in such a policy for RAP as there could be good reasons why a RAP user and their group might not be able to make it on the day and penalising accordingly could amount to discrimination.
 
I don't really see them bringing in such a policy for RAP as there could be good reasons why a RAP user and their group might not be able to make it on the day and penalising accordingly could amount to discrimination.

Sure but you have all day to cancel the booking and three chances.

First step of course would be actually allowing people to cancel bookings themselves.
 
For all we know the reported shorter RAP waits at Towers could be largely due to large numbers of people booking speculatively and not showing up

I did think that could be happening but you'd imagine at the weekends at least most people are honouring the bookings.
 
I know it’s an obvious question but how does this work then, do the scanners just cross check whether the pass is valid or not valid and base entry on that?

Last time at Chessington the people at the gate were checking every single person’s bookings but I’d have thought the system would at least show if there was a booking or not.
For admission prebooks is visual verification only, for rap at cwoa and llw prebooking is identical flow to pre purchasing loqueue access, it just adds an entitlement to your email address and it pops up on the day to use, for the other parks they scan the Prebook, but they are known for not handling things in a way that enables them to say for sure someone didn't turn up.

Putting aside the whole issue of punishing disabled people even further for being ill last minute
 
Putting aside the whole issue of punishing disabled people even further for being ill last minute

It's not about punishing people (especially as we are those people), it's about making the system viable for everyone. A few clicks to cancel a booking isn't an unreasonable request, make it as easy as possible. Maybe people are mostly cancelling unused slots and not block booking, we don't have that information, only suspicions which I am using to make suggestions for improvements.

Ultimately Merlin have changed the system and whilst it has arguably improved the park experience, it has also created a situation where disabled people are being forced to compete for access. One hardship has been replaced with another. The more people see unavailable slots, the more they're going to get booked up in advance, the more essential it becomes that unused slots are managed accordingly.
 
Talking about MAP bookings as opposed to RAP bookings, I'm pretty sure there is no way for the scanners at the turnstiles to flag up whether you have or haven't pre-booked. Hence the apparent penalty for booking with MAP and not turning up would appear to be unenforceable.

I don't really see them bringing in such a policy for RAP as there could be good reasons why a RAP user and their group might not be able to make it on the day and penalising accordingly could amount to discrimination.
There's actually a really obvious way to handle that, the bpb approach! Season passes don't scan they just issue a day ticket when you book.
They also appear to have built a complete in-house ticketing and POS system replacing their earlier stuff stuck onto accesso sirusware, it works reallllly well together, with accessibility requirements just being linked to the pass
 
You can cut the RAP numbers however much you like but when those people then all choose to converge upon the same rides (Smiler and Thirteen at Towers, Vampire at Chessington) a long RAP line is still inevitable.

The new system does seem to have improved things elsewhere in the park though. High throughput rides like Nemesis and Oblivion no longer seem to have any kind of problem .

RAP abuse is definitely still happening. Witnessed several people move queues on Raj last weekend when they realised the staff member wasn’t stamping the RAP cards. They “didn’t want to waste it” on that ride apparently so were in the main queue but were keen to join the RAP queue if it was just a free fast pass
 
So turns out Adventure Island have a Ride Access Pass. We were offered it when we checked in with our annual passes. I asked if it was new and the lady said "no, we've had it for ages, you should always be offered it as a carer".

It's literally just a piece of blank paper with the ride names on. You're supposed to go to the exit and they let you on and give you a wait time. Seems you can use it twice for each ride.

Of course being Adventure Island we didn't need to use it at all as there's never more than a 5 minute wait for anything. Plus entering some attractions via the exit would be quite awkward.

More inexplicably, only 3 months after they opened the new baby change/disabled toilets, they have removed the actual toilets so they're only baby change now, meaning back to 1 awkward noisy disabled toilet in the arcade which is a real shame.
 

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Honestly, I love how Adventure Island's RAP is just an Excel spreadsheet with zero effort and absolutely no branding. Iconic. Shame it's gone one step back with the disabled toilets though.

Meanwhile, I visited Alton Towers earlier this week and as my visit was largely different to my last one, I thought I'd recap the accessibility experience here.

Ride Access Pass

As we were visiting midweek term time, there were no pre-booking issues or queues to speak of at Carer Tickets & RAP in the Plaza. RAP card collection was swift and I was given a brand new A6 card. Everything had been simplified from the map-style guide I had used last year into a small booklet made with actual card and an overhauled Return Time section on the back. The section now includes 'Max Group Size' and 'RAP Colour', plus the boxes were expanded into a table including the ride host's initials and attraction name. I definitely prefer this new design and how it feels far less flimsy than the previous iteration, considering how often this goes in and out of pockets and gets exposed to the elements.

Most ride hosts were great at ID checking and signing the new card off and 6 out of the 10 rides we went on were accounted for. Neither The Smiler, Galactica, The Curse of Alton Manor or Wicker Man were signed off. The reason we weren't given a time for The Smiler, which had a 35 minute wait, was no-one had a pen and the ride host made us promise we wouldn't try to re-ride again in that time. Alton Manor's was walk on so wasn't signed. I don't remember looking at Galactica's queue time but still, annoying the ride host didn't sign the card. As Nemesis was walk on by the time we re-rode, the time card wasn't signed. And Wicker Man had just re-opened during the heavy rain that plagued the park, hence why the ride host didn't sign it off and we walked straight on.

So an overall positive RAP experience and visiting midweek certainly helped, though I'm sure the queues would've been a little longer had the afternoon weather not gone from Chiapas-level of wet to a Valhalla-level of wet. But still, staff need to maintain accountability even on quieter days.

Mobility Scooter

I learnt my lesson after thinking I could still traipse around Alton Towers with a mere walking stick last season and booked a mobility scooter for £50, inc £25 refundable deposit. Whilst the website did warn the scooters might struggle on steep inclines, I didn't want poor Cheese to push me in my pink wheelchair up them there steep hills after a long drive to/from home, I decided to take the risk. I picked up the hired mobility scooter from Guest Services and liked that it was substantially less bulky and easier to turn with than their supermarket counterparts. I weren't keen on the slow speed at first and eventually adjusted it to be at a more quick walking space and I had no issues with the park inclines, including going up X-Sector from The Smiler's exit or that one steep bit by Gloomy Wood. The power also lasted very well for 6 hours of use but I made sure to switch it off and remove the key every time I went to a ride. Honestly, no notes.

However, I've also now learnt another lesson. Since I have the red RAP and was using the scooter, I elected to try the non-ambulant queues to see if they helped me more. They mostly didn't. Many had paths barely wide enough to accommodate the scooter, i.e. Alton Manor, and it was made more awkward with some being tied in with ride exits. And sure, for some rides you can even park the scooter in the station but there's not much space to reverse and turn to get out of there with changing trainloads of people/blocking another path/blocking or potentially knocking over shop displays, i.e. Thirteen/Rita/The Smiler. It was awkward navigating through Towers Trading too, the ramped section heading up to the tills and the till queue was quite tight. There also aren't sheltered areas nearby to park wheelchairs or scooters under, and there's only so much a poncho can do to keep the seat dry during heavy rain.

So whilst I really liked using the mobility scooter and will book one again, I'm just going to have to park the scooter nearby and walk down the RAP queues instead. I don't fancy feeling embarrassed trying to get the scooter out of ride stations or tight corners again in front of visitors, and whilst I struggle with long distances, I can at least wait a few minutes standing up and lean against a wall or fence for support. It would be good if the park invested in more sheltered spaces by attractions and widened paths for those who wouldn't be able to park, get out and walk a short length.

Additional Accessibility Areas

Since I'm now a Blue Badge holder, we booked and parked right by the main entrance. It was strange not to go to our usual spot but it was worth not having to catch the Monorail or walk all the way to/from. The Blue Badge/Express car park was very standard, no additional magic touches beyond the ponds that would turn up when we returned at the end of the day. I feel maybe they could add more spaces beyond the current 16 and the paths could do with sprucing up and some signage.

The changing places toilets were decent, with enough room to park a scooter in and kitted out for visitors who require the equipment. It was troublesome trying to manually open/close the doors when on a scooter alone though, as you have to get close enough to insert the RADAR key then get the door handle and try backing up whilst pulling open the door and vice versa when exiting. I just about coped but for those who may suffer from upper body issues and visiting alone, automatic doors would help a great deal.

As mentioned in the RAP section, staff were overall friendly and considerate. Shout out to the Spinball Whizzer team offering to stop the ride car for me and other ride teams, such the pen-less Smiler ride host, taking/returning my crutch when boarding/exiting rides and letting me exit via the boarding platform. The only problem I had was on Galactica where no notice was given to me beyond being pointed to the last row or where I was supposed to exit afterwards. When we got off, we had to find an empty boarding gate to exit through back to the non-ambulant RAP queue. Just lack of communication, unfortunately, and I accept I should've told the host closest to me that I needed assistance getting back through.

Overall, I had a decent time with what Alton Towers offered accessibility wise and we had a considerably successful day trip to Alton Towers, albeit looking thoroughly rinsed out from the heavy rain.
 
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Excellent report, thanks for the feedback as I just couldn't face using the scooters myself on my recent visit, but sort of regretted it later...never used one before, so didn't think others would be safe if I was let loose on one for the first time with the restricted paths.
Do you think I would fit on one at six foot four, they seemed a bit cramped?
I think they are now offering them without charge, other than the deposit, if you point out the skyride closure, and indirect discrimination.
It worked for me...eventually.
I would be absolutely fine personally without any other aids...if the skyride was back.
The ambulant main entrance to nemesis really needs sorting as well, either handrails or spreading the gradient out somehow with extra levelling.
Again, cheers for the detail...much appreciated.
 
Excellent report, thanks for the feedback as I just couldn't face using the scooters myself on my recent visit, but sort of regretted it later...never used one before, so didn't think others would be safe if I was let loose on one for the first time with the restricted paths.
Do you think I would fit on one at six foot four, they seemed a bit cramped?

I did see taller visitors use mobility scooters, so you might be fine and I had no comfort issues either. So, yes, do take the punt on your next visit.
 
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