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Strongest roller coaster for airtime at Alton Towers?
Because it has a few okay airtime pops, the Smiler has one and Rita has one but it's uncomfortable because of the restraint (I always smack my head and it sometimes involved a naughty word or two)wait how is Wicker Man winning this currently. So people actually think it has better airtime than the smiler and Rita?
Still struggling with the fact that other people's opinions may be different than your's then mate?wait how is Wicker Man winning this currently. So people actually think it has better airtime than the smiler and Rita?
Thought you had got over that one!
No but you see this is where you're wrong. Airtime isn't an opinion it's fact. Just like speed you can't claim a ride feels faster than another when it's not. Well you can actually but it just doesn't make senseStill struggling with the fact that other people's opinions may be different than your's then mate?
Thought you had got over that one!
Skyscraper
TS Member
A lot of factors can make coasters feel faster than they actually are though.No but you see this is where you're wrong. Airtime isn't an opinion it's fact. Just like speed you can't claim a ride feels faster than another when it's not. Well you can actually but it just doesn't make sense
Danscott22
TS Member
Wouldn't say airtime is a dead on fact. If someone is pinned into a ride and someone has a loose restraint, I'd imagine the airtime would be quite different between the two.
I've heard people say Wicker man feels faster than Rita and I'm thinking 'don't be ridiculous'A lot of factors can make coasters feel faster than they actually are though.![]()
Thameslink Rail
TS Member
Thing is you are both right and wrong depending on the perspective, yes Rita is faster than Wicker Man however there are reasons why Wicker Man may feel 'faster' to some people: it is close to the ground, has sharper turns and has that 'rickety' feel that comes with wooden coasters.I've heard people say Wicker man feels faster than Rita and I'm thinking 'don't be ridiculous'
Airtime is also not an exact science in the same way, there are different types of airtime (floater and ejector) which are characterised by differing amounts of negative G-forces for differing durations and people feel these in different ways. There are also the factors of train weight, temperature and rain which can influence the speed of the ride therefore changing the forces experienced on it. Also @Danscott22 mentioned restraints and how tight they are changes how airtime is experienced, I find this most noticeable on coasters with ratchet restraints as they are not as adjustable as hydraulic restraints. As much as I like facts and statistics (there is no debate, the fastest rollercoaster in the world is Formula Rossa), there are some categories where opinions matter and should be respected. This is especially true of any that include or imply the word 'best', for this reason Guinness World Records refuse to adjudicate 'most beautiful person' despite being asked to constantly.
It is possible to measure which ride has the longest airtime or the largest negative G-force. But 'best' is up to you.
Matt N
TS Member
I don’t think you can call airtime strength, speed or anything of that ilk to do with a ride a fact for a number of reasons.
Firstly, there are all sorts of factors that can make two rides on the same coaster vary a lot; for instance, if you rode Wicker Man at 10am, in the front row, on a cold morning, I’d wager that the ride would feel different to how a night ride at 9pm, after it’s warmed up for nearly 12 hours, in the back row would feel.
Also, our brains perceive forces in different ways, due to a variety of factors. For instance, things like your levels of sleep the prior day, how hydrated you are, and simply how your brain is wired can affect how you perceive forces and sensations. Two people could perceive the same force very differently, simply down to biological or extenuating factors.
Furthermore, raw force and speed figures do not dictate how intense a ride feels on their own. For instance, Galactica and Nemesis technically have the same maximum peak of positive g-force (3.5G), and a not dissimilar maximum speed figure (Galactica is 47mph, while Nemesis is 50mph). However, most would agree that those two coasters ride very differently. How a coaster rides boils down to things like rate of change of force, and the amount of the ride for which the peak g-force is pulled, as opposed to raw force and speed figures on their own. It isn’t an exact science.
But all in all, it boils down to opinion and individual perception. Even when two people are riding the same ride together, they might perceive it very differently. What is truth to one person may not be truth to another.
EDIT: Basically what @Thameslink Rail said!
Firstly, there are all sorts of factors that can make two rides on the same coaster vary a lot; for instance, if you rode Wicker Man at 10am, in the front row, on a cold morning, I’d wager that the ride would feel different to how a night ride at 9pm, after it’s warmed up for nearly 12 hours, in the back row would feel.
Also, our brains perceive forces in different ways, due to a variety of factors. For instance, things like your levels of sleep the prior day, how hydrated you are, and simply how your brain is wired can affect how you perceive forces and sensations. Two people could perceive the same force very differently, simply down to biological or extenuating factors.
Furthermore, raw force and speed figures do not dictate how intense a ride feels on their own. For instance, Galactica and Nemesis technically have the same maximum peak of positive g-force (3.5G), and a not dissimilar maximum speed figure (Galactica is 47mph, while Nemesis is 50mph). However, most would agree that those two coasters ride very differently. How a coaster rides boils down to things like rate of change of force, and the amount of the ride for which the peak g-force is pulled, as opposed to raw force and speed figures on their own. It isn’t an exact science.
But all in all, it boils down to opinion and individual perception. Even when two people are riding the same ride together, they might perceive it very differently. What is truth to one person may not be truth to another.
EDIT: Basically what @Thameslink Rail said!
That is merely your opinion...not mine.No but you see this is where you're wrong. Airtime isn't an opinion it's fact. Just like speed you can't claim a ride feels faster than another when it's not. Well you can actually but it just doesn't make sense
Log Flume's Dennis
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the ride with the most airtime at Alton Towers is actually frog hopper. 4 x 6 bounces = 24 airtime pops, which is more than Steel Vengeance
Danscott22
TS Member
With regards to the whole Wicker Man and Rita thing - my family were convinced Wicker Man was the fastest coaster at Alton - were always on the back two rows because of RAP (wheelchair user) and there are times I’ve been on there when I’ve been convinced there’s no other ride faster at Towers. I know there is factually - but there are times when it doesn’t feel that way.
Skyscraper
TS Member
Even Rita isn't the fastest coaster at Towers... It's OblivionWith regards to the whole Wicker Man and Rita thing - my family were convinced Wicker Man was the fastest coaster at Alton - were always on the back two rows because of RAP (wheelchair user) and there are times I’ve been on there when I’ve been convinced there’s no other ride faster at Towers. I know there is factually - but there are times when it doesn’t feel that way.


Danscott22
TS Member
Yeah I know haha - Wicker Man stills feels faster than thatEven Rita isn't the fastest coaster at Towers... It's Oblivion![]()
Rita definitely feels the fastest to me. That launch is insaneYeah I know haha - Wicker Man stills feels faster than that
jon81uk
TS Member
Rita has the highest acceleration, but Oblivion is faster, it just uses gravity to provide the acceleration and therefore doesn't get up to speed as quickly.Rita definitely feels the fastest to me. That launch is insane
pluk
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No but you see this is where you're wrong. Airtime isn't an opinion it's fact. Just like speed you can't claim a ride feels faster than another when it's not. Well you can actually but it just doesn't make sense
Rita definitely feels the fastest to me. That launch is insane
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