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The Brexit Thread

But we've taken back control.
We've gained rights to all the non existent fish.
We've stopped all the dirty foreigners
We shall make Britian great again.
Well done you've won. Our country is in the pits and on the way to much worse. Young people are struggling with mental health issues but it's okay because we're going to have loads of money for the NHS. One day we might rejoin the EU but until then we're doomed. Racism has won.
 
Even with a zero tariff, zero quota trade deal there will now be significant red tape and barriers that didn't exist before. It's hard to say that meets the definition of "having your cake and eating it", or indeed any of the Leave campaigns claims.

My only hope is now the heat will be off the Brexit debate and people can see first hand the problems it causes to be isolationist, that some closer alignment might come in the future. People might agree that giving up some freedoms is actually worth it.
delta79 said:
I am waiting for this deal and London's dealing with covid to be used for another Scottish referendum.
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I always love how Boris Johnson goes up to Scotland and tells everybody the importance of being in the Union, how it's good for security and prosperity... then in the next breath how important it is to leave the European Union, even though it's the exact same argument.
 
Stuff like this ...



What on earth does that mean? Demonstrable nonsense. Something has changed in our politics. Thatcher, Blair, Brown or Cameron ... I am sure they said things that we all agreed and disagreed with, but so much of the current conversation is constructed in a way that could only be said in these times, a lot of political oratory is timeless.
 
Just been reading up regarding the new customs forms that will be required when posting goods to anywhere in the EU27 + Switzerland etc. from 1st January.

Forgive me for asking it yet again, but can anybody find a tangible benefit to this on my personal life that's worth the upheaval? Still waiting...

Bloody bonkers.
 
AstroDan said:
Just been reading up regarding the new customs forms that will be required when posting goods to any where in the EU + Switzerland etc. from 1st January.

Forgive me for asking it yet again, but can anybody find a tangible benefit to this on my personal life that's worth the upheaval? Still waiting...

Bloody bonkers.
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Considering my team haven't been told what we are doing on the 1st (customs key entry...) I'm not sure anyone really knows what they are doing yet.
 
MattyH said:
Oh and after 2022 if you want to visit Europe you'll need to fill out a visa waver form

Good thing we got rid of all that paperwork
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This isn't new information though off the back of this deal. ETIAS is an electronic system, similar to ESTA for the USA and valid for three years (instead of 2 for the US). There'll be a small cost to it (€7), and lasts for three years. So there's no paperwork as such, and will actually make entry into Europe easier as passport gates will then be enabled for use as opposed to passport stamps - which we will have to have from January.

However, don't hold your breath for it coming in by end of 2022, it's already been delayed considerably!
 
Don't forget blue passports (unless you renewed earlier in the year like me and will have 10 more years of burgundy).
 
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I have now got to the point that i am completely lost with the brexit deal and what it means.

It does not help that news outlets pick doom sayers or rose tinted glasses specialists depending on their own views on brexit.

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Maybe it’s because I’m vegan, but am I the only one who watches these reports on fishing and realises how barbaric it all is? The other night they interviewed some ‘fishermen’ who rake lobsters out the sea. The lobsters get bound up so that they can’t move. They’re transported to other European countries where they’re put into tanks of water in supermarkets, still bound up. People then buy the lobsters, take them home, still bound up and boil them alive. I’m just wondering whether it would be better if there was no fishing.
 
I don’t have a problem with fishing if its to eat them, I do have a problem with fishing for fun just to throw them back, that should be treated the same as fox hunting and banned.

Back to Brexit and I do have to have a chuckle at some of the comments on here and the remain news outlets.
Until you except the result of the referendum and the fact we have now left, you will never see any of the benefits if and when they appear, more worrying is the delusion that we can somehow rejoin on anything like the same terms.
Look I also voted remain but I’ve accepted that’s democracy and moved on.
 
BigT said:
Back to Brexit and I do have to have a chuckle at some of the comments on here and the remain news outlets.
Until you except the result of the referendum and the fact we have now left, you will never see any of the benefits if and when they appear, more worrying is the delusion that we can somehow rejoin on anything like the same terms.
Look I also voted remain but I’ve accepted that’s democracy and moved on.
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Most of the posts I've seen on here have accepted the result and the fact we have left the institutions of the EU. The recent commentary has been pertinent to the events that have just happened. As you say, we have left (must have missed the rejoin posts, apologies) and more importantly, the government was deciding the manner in which we left, which is a very different thing.

'Brexit' at the point of the referendum didn't really mean anything - arguably it meant a million possible things depending on who you asked. Only now that there is a deal and the future relationship has been agreed do we truly know what it actually means and I think it's perfectly valid for people to express their joy, concern or dismay as to the outcome.

Democracy is not about shutting up and letting things happen around you, that's the opposite of democracy.
 
Just listened to a bit of the parliament brexit debate, lots of labour mps seem to be reluctantly voting for the deal, I don't really want to say this but the opposition are somehow even weaker than they were under Corbyn. The only person I have heard speaking who has said they will vote against the deal was Caroline Lucas but since she is the only green mp, she can do what she likes.
 
To be honest, even though I’ve never been a Brexit supporter, I’m just happy that the worst case scenario of no deal has been averted, and I hope that Parliament votes the deal through.

After 1st January, I hope we can all unite and try to make the best of our new future outside of the EU.
 
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