Secret Weapon
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True, but this is a double-edged sword as higher gate price = higher guest expectationsI think an increase in gate prices to reduce demand would not only improve guests days but improve staff morale and retention.
True, but this is a double-edged sword as higher gate price = higher guest expectationsI think an increase in gate prices to reduce demand would not only improve guests days but improve staff morale and retention.
True, but this is a double-edged sword as higher gate price = higher guest expectations
Sorry to be pedantic, Merlin head office moved to London in 2024The specific issues relating to Towers are not felt in Chessie/Thorpe/Lego or in Poole.
Customer anger has always been an issue and since COVID it’s only gotten way more prevalent due to the amount of emotionally stunted adults (of all ages) who have the expectation that anyone wearing a uniform is there to serve their exact needs whenever they want.I think another aspect that shouldn't be overlooked is the abuse front-line staff get when the system collapses. "Be nice to our staff" posters aren't going to cut it when guests are angry that they've only got on three rides all day. For that reason, I think an increase in gate prices to reduce demand would not only improve guests days but improve staff morale and retention.
An excellent question as always!Very informative posts @GooseOnTheLoose!
One question I do have, however, is; why do you feel that JCB is a factor now in a way that it may not have been in prior decades? JCB has operated out of Rocester for decades.
AT must be unique in this regard, as the conventional wisdom is that people in Britain are finding it more difficult to find jobs today than during the 1990sThe long, unpaid commute essentially extends the working day without compensation. In the 90s, youths accepted this friction. Today, they do not have to.
The UK hospitality and leisure sector currently has some of the highest vacancy rates on record [1, 2]. It's infinitely easier to find an entry level service job today than it was in the 1990s, largely because, as we've established, the foundational labour pool has vanished and the European safety valve closed.For what it's worth, I can't currently see any AT vacancies on the Merlin website (other than a few minor jobs in the hotels, etc).
If AT fail to recruit enough staff before the season begins, then do they continue hiring during the season itself, or do they draw a line under it and make do with what they have (running rides on a limited capacity if required), due to having to arrange training and shift patterns in advance?
AT must be unique in this regard, as the conventional wisdom is that people in Britain are finding it more difficult to find jobs today than during the 1990s
Remote locations often struggle with recruitment, though, as I know that the Dounreay power plant (at the northern tip of Scotland) struggles to recruit and retain staff
Yes. The HSE and the park's public liability insurers don't care if you were the undisputed king of dispatching The Smiler in 2025. If you return in 2026, you must be recertified. In fact, all seasonal employees need to reapply for their jobs every year, even if they've been working at the park for years.1) If a staff member returns the following year then do they still have to complete the training again?
They could certainly try sending out a desperate email blast, but let's look at the reality. These are seasonal, zero hour or minimum wage workers. They're not sitting by the phone waiting for the Vampurr Signal to illuminate the Staffordshire sky. They've moved on. They're back at uni, or they've taken a permanent job at the aforementioned Amazon warehouse.2) If training is not required each season then can AT contact past staff members in an emergency and bring them on board mid-season if required?
If you look at the staggered 11:00 am ride openings we're currently enduring, you most likely have your answer have your answer. No. If they had the bodies, the rides would be opening with the park gates. I don't know this with absolute certainty, and I don't know which staff they're short on... though my guess is tech services.3) I'm guessing that there's no way of knowing this, but has AT managed to recruit all of the staff that they wanted for the 2026 season?
Yes, Blackpool has significant pockets of deprivation and unemployment, but if you are a 35 year old local with rent to pay and a family to feed, you need a stable, year round job. You can't survive on a minimum wage contract which dumps you onto Universal Credit from November to February.B) I am surprised that Amanda needed EU staff, as there surely should have been enough local staff in Blackpool?
It's just pure, unadulterated capitalism.C) Almost everybody at AT (and other parks) seems to be under the age of 30; I'm not sure if this an intentional policy by AT (to keep the park looking 'young'), or whether the job simply attracts younger applicants?
My post entirely focussed on Alton Towers, rather than the industry as a whole.D) I'm guessing that Thorpe Park don't struggle with recruitment as much, because - for what it's worth - I remember overhearing somebody on a bus ride there implying that he had applied but was unsuccessful (although this may have been down to his personal unsuitability rather than lack of vacancies)
I'd initially assumed that this was due to budget cuts (i.e. to save on electricity etc), because if a ride can open at 11 then I'd have assumed that it could theoretically also open at 10, as the ride operators would already be on site and thus available for the day?If you look at the staggered 11:00 am ride openings we're currently enduring, you most likely have your answer have your answer. No. If they had the bodies, the rides would be opening with the park gates. I don't know this with absolute certainty, and I don't know which staff they're short on... though my guess is tech services.
This is true, but can Alton Towers specifically state that they are only hiring teenagers because they are cheaper? (Isn't this age discrimination?)It's just pure, unadulterated capitalism.
Minimum wage structure is tiered by age. National Minimum Wage for an 18 - 20 year old is lower than the National Living Wage for someone aged 21 and over. If you're operating a business with hundreds of entry level service roles, your payroll costs are exponentially lower if your workforce is entirely composed of 18 - 20 year olds. Additionally, as mentioned above, older adults generally require permanent, year round employment to survive. The seasonal theme park model inherently selects for youth.
I voted to remain (as, I suspect, did many people on this forum), but if the Eastern European countries had never joined the EU in 2004 then surely British businesses would have had no choice but to improve working conditions and pay for British staff, instead of relying on cheaper staff from overseas?This is exactly why the UK leisure industry became reliant on young EU nationals. Thanks to freedom of movement, young Europeans (often students or recent graduates) could come to the UK specifically for the summer season. They were happy to live in cheap, shared, high density HMOs, work gruelling hours, save up their wages, and return home in the winter. They filled a massive structural void.
Brexit undid all of that and every other park operator, farmer, and hotelier in the country is now reaping exactly what the electorate sowed.
That's why "conventional wisdom" will only get you so far.I'd initially assumed that this was due to budget cuts (i.e. to save on electricity etc), because if a ride can open at 11 then I'd have assumed that it could theoretically also open at 10, as the ride operators would already be on site and thus available for the day?
No, they can't and they don't.This is true, but can Alton Towers specifically state that they are only hiring teenagers because they are cheaper? (Isn't this age discrimination?)
They don't have to. The job itself acts as a natural, entirely legal demographic filter.Or do they open the applications to everybody but then unofficially (and/or illegally) only hire teenagers? (with one or two old folk to 'prove' they're not discriminating!)
If 2004 had never happened, would the leisure industry have improved working conditions? No. They haven't since the well of cheap staff evaporated, so this goes a long way to demonstrate.I voted to remain (as, I suspect, did many people on this forum), but if the Eastern European countries had never joined the EU in 2004 then surely British businesses would have had no choice but to improve working conditions and pay for British staff, instead of relying on cheaper staff from overseas?
Although perhaps this never would have happened, and many businesses would have simply just closed down entirely.
I vaguely remember Scott Bickerton from Your Experience Guide saying a year or two ago that his ride operator contract with Alton Towers stipulated that he had to work overtime if the situation demanded it*, although he might have been referring to exceptional circumstances (e.g. Hyperia running late into the night due to unexpected downtime), rather than a planned late night closure.The primary reason for a staggered opening is the more likely the the ridigity of shift patterns. If the park is open until 8pm, and your staff are contracted for a standard 8 hour shift, you can't bring them all in at 8am. If you do, their shift ends at 4 pm, and you have to shut the park early.
Most contracts have clauses for overtime and emergency extension of working hours.Alton Towers stipulated that he had to work overtime if the situation demanded it*
I would agree that Hyperia running late into the night at Alton Towers would be an exceptional circumstance.he might have been referring to exceptional circumstances (e.g. Hyperia running late into the night due to unexpected downtime)
Please don't.(*I might have this quote wrong, though, and so I will post a link to the video if I can find it)
