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Thorpe Park: General Discussion

Sometimes, even with a magical shovel, you have to stop digging šŸ˜± It's not so much of having a marginal operating window.... It's a design failure - simple. Don't design a near stall if that can translate into a full stall/rollback/valley. If only there were an example of where this might occur and hot to mitigate it... Oh - STEALTH.

If I were a Merlin lawyer, I'd be demanding a full refund.
 
And then what's the point of a near-stall element - that no longer near-stalls??? In any case, wheels are so 20th century...! The Shinkansen doesn't have wheels and goes a hell of a lot faster!

And before anyone says "you can't have a Maglev coaster".....
 
Smiley said:
And then what's the point of a near-stall element - that no longer near-stalls??? In any case, wheels are so 20th century...! The Shinkansen doesn't have wheels and goes a hell of a lot faster!

And before anyone says "you can't have a Maglev coaster".....
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Several parts of the Shinkansen network do have traditional steel wheels, with limited parts being Maglev.
 
Poisson said:
Several parts of the Shinkansen network do have traditional steel wheels, with limited parts being Maglev.
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Itā€™s less than limited; itā€™s none. One line is under construction and the maglev test line exists (not in passenger use) but thatā€™s it. Planned opening 2034.

On topic - I agree with those commenting on its narrow window of operation. If a ride canā€™t reliably operate in the average UK weather, it really shouldnā€™t have been built at all. See also the woodies built in Florida - the climate makes them an absolute pain to operate and maintain, hence very few of them have been built and those that were have been sufficient enough pains to result in substantive modifications (Mine Blower got 208 RetraK, Iron Gwazi is a full RMC, White Lightning has been extensively titan tracked and Coastersaurus is a family coaster).
 
Haven't done Iron Gwazi yet (did Gwazi before closing and it was a headbanger!). Twisted Colossus (RMC) is awesome! And has a first drop similar (but taller) to the Nash in the second drop. I'd love a RMC Nash.
 
I kinda assumed designs were simulated like crazy before a design was finalised these days. If it's so picky about running conditions, you'd have thought something would have shown up during that.
 
Leigh said:
Itā€™s less than limited; itā€™s none. One line is under construction and the maglev test line exists (not in passenger use) but thatā€™s it. Planned opening 2034.

On topic - I agree with those commenting on its narrow window of operation. If a ride canā€™t reliably operate in the average UK weather, it really shouldnā€™t have been built at all. See also the woodies built in Florida - the climate makes them an absolute pain to operate and maintain, hence very few of them have been built and those that were have been sufficient enough pains to result in substantive modifications (Mine Blower got 208 RetraK, Iron Gwazi is a full RMC, White Lightning has been extensively titan tracked and Coastersaurus is a family coaster).
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it can run in average weather reliably though, i really think people are just over stating the problem, the amount of down time due to weather is quite small people are just over stating the problem, if it was down more than 10-20% of the time due to weather I would agree, but it isn't it runs fine, it is just the odd couple percentage of the time when it can't run.

you are saying about how It ReAllY ShoUlDn't HavE beEn bUIlt but I can give the exact same analysis for a majority of the rides in florida. Florida it is very common to have storms, this leads to high down time as the out door rides have to wait until the storm has passed, I could say about how all out door rides shouldn't have been built (that problem is far worse than hyperias wether issues) they should have built all of their rides indoors, etc, but that dosn't make the rides as fun, as I said previously it is a trade off, they want near stall elements, they have a chance of stalling that makes the rides more fun (as having them outdoors dose) but increases the chance of a stall.

Mykeprime said:
I kinda assumed designs were simulated like crazy before a design was finalised these days. If it's so picky about running conditions, you'd have thought something would have shown up during that.
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they are simulated, but you have to realise that all simulations are mathematical models and never 100% accurate, for instance if you are simulating combustion in a cylinder using something like 2 zone table combustion you aren't actually simulating the air in the cylinder, nor the turbulence, nor the mixture you are assuming it is a sphere of burning gas and non burned gas, this is accurate enough to compare but isn't going to be accurate compared to the engine (thus a simulation has to be tuned)

there are a lot of assumptions they are assuming the wheels are preloaded to x,y,z the bearings are greased so they have x resistance, they are using wheels with rolling resistance with x, wind of x, etc.
you can't simulate it without these assumptions as they are required numbers, and you can't get exact numbers because you don't have the ride made.
 
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